Richteralan Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I want to reply with something meaningful but our pro-gun friends sprouting same thing over over again and again, and I lost my interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaP Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Dude looks rough for being 26. He looks really old. I mean i'm 35 and i don't look much older than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 What he said. Killing sprees over here are incredibly rare because of how hard it is to obtain the kind of weapons you need to facilitate them. In America they're becoming more commonplace because you people never learn. Still the U.K has the highest violent crime rates of all of Europe, proving that you can't stop a determined individual, banning guns wont stop anything. People will continue to be murdered by crazy lunatics until the end of time, no law will ever stop them. They'll simply either get them illegally or they'll use something else. If guns and responsible gun owners are the problem then how do people get out of gun shows alive? and not to mention shooting ranges.. Its not the law abiding gun owners you have to worry about,people need to report suspicious behavior. If people would do the right thing and report their family members or friends or anyone they think could be capable of doing such horrible things then some of the shootings could be prevented.The laws are in place they just need to be utilized and people need to report suspicious activity or threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfMart Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Still the U.K has the highest violent crime rates of all of Europe, proving that you can't stop a determined individual, banning guns wont stop anything. It'll stop news articles like this, or the guy that shot someone in a garage because they were playing music too loud, or the kid that was murdered by his next door neighbour who walked out and shot him without provocation thinking he was the kid that broke into his house. If you remove the gun you remove the opportunist murderers who would probably have second thoughts about going up close and personal and sticking a knife into someones gut while looking into their eyes. Having a gun removes you from the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 It'll stop news articles like this, or the guy that shot someone in a garage because they were playing music too loud, or the kid that was murdered by his next door neighbour who walked out and shot him without provocation thinking he was the kid that broke into his house. If you remove the gun you remove the opportunist murderers who would probably have second thoughts about going up close and personal and sticking a knife into someones gut while looking into their eyes. Having a gun removes you from the situation. No it doesn't I posted a thread about a guy killing someone with a knife then going to his university and using a cross bow to shoot his father in law in the head.Removing guns doesn't stop a determined individual period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfMart Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm not talking about the determined individual, I'm talking about the kind of person who is quick tempered who has a gun to hand and the wrong state of mind to pull it out and shoot someone before stopping to think or cool down, like the guy in this news article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm not talking about the determined individual, I'm talking about the kind of person who is quick tempered who has a gun to hand and the wrong state of mind to pull it out and shoot someone before stopping to think or cool down. So you don't think they could use a knife to stab someone to death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfMart Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm done, its just going round and round in circles, enjoy your assault rifles. I'm not trying to take it out of your hands I'm just trying to make you see it from the other side of the fence but you care more about that peice of metal than you do peoples lives which is par for the course of the average american. OMG 2ND AMENDMENT........... +hedleigh 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir Angel Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Still the U.K has the highest violent crime rates of all of Europe, proving that you can't stop a determined individual, banning guns wont stop anything. People will continue to be murdered by crazy lunatics until the end of time, no law will ever stop them. They'll simply either get them illegally or they'll use something else. If guns and responsible gun owners are the problem then how do people get out of gun shows alive? and not to mention shooting ranges.. Its not the law abiding gun owners you have to worry about,people need to report suspicious behavior. If people would do the right thing and report their family members or friends or anyone they think could be capable of doing such horrible things then some of the shootings could be prevented. The laws are in place they just need to be utilized and people need to report suspicious activity or threats. Only assaults. When it comes to rape and murder, you're still way ahead of us. The only difference between a "responsible" gun owner and a lunatic is the kill count. I have no doubt that your temption to use lethal force would have a lower threshold than mine simply because you possess the gun. +hedleigh 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm done, its just going round and round in circles, enjoy your assault rifles. I'm not trying to take it out of your hands I'm just trying to make you see it from the other side of the fence but you care more about that peice of metal than you do peoples lives which is par for the course of the average american. OMG 2ND AMENDMENT........... I don't own any assault rifles, also I don't like it when innocent people get murdered either, I don't advocate it or support it at all.I just would like to have protection from the people that would do those things. You want me to see your side but you don't see mine either, I think while that piece of metal could do harm to innocent people it could do harm to the people that want to harm you or me. A gun is neither good or bad, a gun in the hands of a bad person is what you have to worry about, a gun in the hands of a good person (which there are more of than bad) is a threat to no one except a bad guy with a gun,or a knife. I support the laws that are on the books now, I think they need to be enforced a lot better. The laws on the books are plenty enough,its just that the government doesn't enforce them to their full potential. Charisma 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted December 6, 2012 MVC Share Posted December 6, 2012 Well at least she ended up ok. Because other wise I was going to comment, that I hoped that once she died that he shot her in the head before she turned :laugh: I'm sure this guy will also be restricted from being anywhere near a zombie walk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfMart Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I do see it from your side, according to you the UK has highest violent crime rates in europe but I don't feel the need for a gun. I think there is a time and a place for weaponry and that is stored in lock boxes at the range and only taken out if you wanted to do target practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Only assaults. When it comes to rape and murder, you're still way ahead of us. The only difference between a "responsible" gun owner and a lunatic is the kill count. I have no doubt that your temption to use lethal force would have a lower threshold than mine simply because you possess the gun. Actually you're wrong, I own a gun and I know what will happen to me if I use a gun. You think that i'd pull the gun out and use it without hesitation just because I own a gun, however that's not the case. If I pull out a gun and use it i'm in for a lot of headaches and troubles. First of all when you shoot someone regardless if you're doing it for self defense or not you're automatically treated as a murder suspect. I don't want to deal with that, secondly I have to worry about is it the right situation to pull a gun out. If I pull out my gun for any old reason i'll face jail time for brandishing a firearm and god knows what ever else, probably reckless endangerment. Its not as simple as you think it is javik.With owning a gun comes great responsibility. I do see it from your side, according to you the UK has highest violent crime rates in europe but I don't feel the need for a gun. I think there is a time and a place for weaponry and that is stored in lock boxes at the range and only taken out if you wanted to do target practice. All I do is target practice. But I don't think that I should have to have it kept at a shooting range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfMart Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir Angel Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 A responsiblity that America is ignoring given your stats on gun crime. Fact is, you can make the claim to be sensible all you want, but the reality of human nature is that we don't think rationally in heated situations. If you have a weapon available, the temptation to use lethal force will be increased. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 A responsiblity that America is ignoring given your stats on gun crime. Fact is, you can make the claim to be sensible all you want, but the reality of human nature is that we don't think rationally in heated situations. If you have a weapon available, the temptation to use lethal force will be increased. Period. Do you know how many times i've been ****ed off in my life? LOADS of times, not once have I ever reached for a gun or even thought about it. You can't make blanket statements like that when you don't know the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlintyV Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 Do you know how many times i've been ****ed off in my life? LOADS of times, not once have I ever reached for a gun or even thought about it. You can't make blanket statements like that when you don't know the individual. There' was a study which showed there was a higher risk of homicide in a home which contained a gun often against a family member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 There' was a study which showed there was a higher risk of homicide in a home which contained a gun often against a family member. I bet the study was done by an anti gun organisation too. I'm surrounded by firearms, i've got one right in front of me and one to the left of me. i've never felt compelled to pick one up over an argument or fight. Again you can't make blanket statements when you don't know the individual.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MU12ensIWg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I bet the study was done by an anti gun organisation too. I'm surrounded by firearms, i've got one right in front of me and one to the left of me. i've never felt compelled to pick one up over an argument or fight. Again you can't make blanket statements when you don't know the individual. you may have forgotten the word "so far"... as in "i've never felt compelled to pick one up over an argument or fight so far" I am willing to bet almost 100% of the people that legally buy a gun and have used it in a illegal manner said the EXACT same thing you just said. Also, in your line "Again you can't make blanket statements when you don't know the individual." isn't that excatly what you are doing but in reverse when speaking of gun owners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlintyV Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 I bet the study was done by an anti gun organisation too. I'm surrounded by firearms, i've got one right in front of me and one to the left of me. i've never felt compelled to pick one up over an argument or fight. Again you can't make blanket statements when you don't know the individual. - removed yet another gun video I've no clue if the New England Journal of Medicine is anti-gun, and I'm not sure that I made a blanket statement either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 you may have forgotten the word "so far"... as in "i've never felt compelled to pick one up over an argument or fight so far" I am willing to bet almost 100% of the people that legally buy a gun and have used it in a illegal manner said the EXACT same thing you just said. Also, in your line "Again you can't make blanket statements when you don't know the individual." isn't that excatly what you are doing but in reverse when speaking of gun owners? No, you don't know me personally, you don't know how I act when i'm ****ed off. A gun doesn't make me want use it in anger just because I own one. What illegal manner are you talking about? I didn't make any blanket statement I just said you have to look at people as individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 No, you don't know me personally, you don't know how I act when i'm ****ed off. A gun doesn't make me want use it in anger just because I own one. What illegal manner are you talking about? I didn't make any blanket statement I just said you have to look at people as individuals. I am willing to bet you all my net worth that there has been a legal gun owner, just like yourself, say "i would never use my gun against someone in anger" and then, someday, snap and do that very action. You can say that you haven't and you can try to predict that you wouldn't, but there is no guarantees that you wouldn't. You are human and subject to human errors just like anyone else. +hedleigh 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I am willing to bet you all my net worth that there has been a legal gun owner, just like yourself, say "i would never use my gun against someone in anger" and then, someday, snap and do that very action. You can say that you haven't and you can try to predict that you wouldn't, but there is no guarantees that you wouldn't. You are human and subject to human errors just like anyone else. Yes I can say that i'd never do that because i'm very level headed. Yes i'm human and subject to human errors but i'll never use my gun in anger. I'll put my net worth on it as well,hell I put my life on it as well. You honestly think id do something so stupid like that. I don't even drink alcohol for fear of doing something stupid that would cause me to lose my firearms. I follow the law to the fullest extent in order to keep my second amendment right and to think i'd risk it and do something so stupid is unthinkable to me.i own other things that make me hated by the protectist as well, one other thing being a pitbull, since I own a pitbull does that mean I fight dogs? Or trained it to be aggressive. Stop trying to label me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titoist Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 ****ing idiot. Some have pointed out that .22 is more lethal. YES! A 0.300 Sav would go through you at that distance, depending on the area affected it can just be a patchup at the hospital. a 0.22 is so small and slow enough that it will travel in your body. Last I heard of someone getting shot with a .22 LR, they got shot in the shoulder and the bullet ended up in their kneecap. In this picture a 0.22LR is the smallest bullet. the 3rd one from the right is a 0.300 British (typically used on Deer). The second one from the left is a typical handgun flatop bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCracker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Yeah cool.. 4th one from the right is a 223. which is a .22 in diameter. I'd use it if I had to for home defense the 223 wouldn't penetrate through the house. Would be a little loud though but if its my life on the line i'll take my hearing loss. And of course you all will take that out of context to mean i'd shoot and kill anyone.... Btw what is a flat top bullet? I've heard of flat nose ammo but not flat top. Also what round is the purple one. :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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