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#91 contextfree

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:53

Thats debatable since that very feature has been (and remains) in browsers and other apps (like Acrobat Reader) for quite awhile (middle click). The more pressing issue is why scrolling is still so finicky that people prefer to use the dragable scroll bar.


It's pretty simple, the scrollbar basically compresses the page into one view allowing you to quickly jump to any point on it (and some apps like Chrome or certain Visual Studio addins even add extra useful stuff like indicating points of interest directly on the scrollbar, which the scrollbar click-and-drag mechanism makes it easy to get to), while with click-and-drag or even scrollwheel you have to move one screen at the time. Even with touch, although inertial scrolling helps with this, I often find myself wanting a scrollbar so I can jump somewhere more quickly.


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:59

You humans get stuck on doing things a certain way. ...


What are you? A dog? (Looking at your profile pic) :D
I don't want to be rude, I just found it very funny you started your post with: You humans.
Seems like you didn't feel you belong to the same group

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:13

As well as how to drag and move live tiles easily [drag down slightly and hold for a sec, then drag is smooth].


Ha, you actually still don't have this right. You're not supposed to "hold for a sec", you can just pull it out directly with no waiting necessary.

BTW there's an interesting video here -> http://channel9.msdn...etherlands/2373 where the designer of the Windows 8 touch UI talks specifically about how they tried to design select and rearrange so that they would be "self-teaching", including to avoid giving people the "superstitious beliefs" that they needed to press and hold. (you can skip to 33:00 for this, including footage of usability tests, though the whole video is interesting). Guess it didn't work in this particular case though ...

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:32

I'd rather get a lump of coal in my stocking, than a copy of Windows 8.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:44

So what you are saying is you don't want to be bothered with learning. Well you can down grade for free. Then pass me your Win8 key thank-you very much.

I'd give it to you for $15

Not even joking the fact you want it for free even shows you wouldn't even pay for Windows 8, and that's a bit funny but mostly sad.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:52

What are you? A dog? (Looking at your profile pic) :D
I don't want to be rude, I just found it very funny you started your post with: You humans.
Seems like you didn't feel you belong to the same group

well I...:p

I'd rather get a lump of coal in my stocking, than a copy of Windows 8.


Just pass that copy and key my way. Thank you very much. :)

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:12

Lol these are always good for a quick laugh

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:25

It is official folks, even if we like a product, we can NEVER.....NEVER say anything that irritates us again. Let's just get rid of movie, game, and product reviews since we cannot say anything about a product. If a company want to make a defective video card, it is their product and can do whatever they want with it.


Wow, Dotty really got you, didn't he? Seriously guy, I agree with your point of view, but you really need to calm down a bit. It's only Dotty... Ignore him! :p

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:35

It's hard to ignore his condescending attitude towards people, don't like Windows 8? Tough, it must be something you are doing wrong because he thinks Windows 8 is the second coming and he can't possibly be wrong because Microsoft is God.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:20

Well, yeah. It's kinda annoying, but not enough to stress over. Personally, I kinda like Windows 8, but the start screen gets up my nose a bit, and I almost never use any of the metro apps as they just use too much screen space (and I have 2 monitors).

Also, full screen apps on a 24" monitor look horrible.

But it's fine. I quite happily use the desktop, with Classic Start, and I don't generally have any problems until I start to game. Then the hotspots tend to get irritating as, to aid multi-screening, I play games windowed.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 19:05

BTW there's an interesting video here -> http://channel9.msdn...etherlands/2373 where the designer of the Windows 8 touch UI talks specifically about how they tried to design select and rearrange so that they would be "self-teaching", including to avoid giving people the "superstitious beliefs" that they needed to press and hold. (you can skip to 33:00 for this, including footage of usability tests, though the whole video is interesting). Guess it didn't work in this particular case though ...


They failed. Could also be lag on the Surface because if you don't hold you end up not moving the individual tile. It's not a huge deal, but the very conversation supports the issues raised in the article. I don't know if I would have given these things the same weight as he did, but the points themselves have merit, if not the conclusion.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 19:11

It's hard to ignore his condescending attitude towards people, don't like Windows 8? Tough, it must be something you are doing wrong because he thinks Windows 8 is the second coming and he can't possibly be wrong because Microsoft is God.


As it relates to consumers, look at the commercials. Look at the cheap Android commercials, little girls actually using. Look at the iPad mini commercial, hands actually using. Surface commercials ... .... ... type cover click. Facepaint, which is a sham since you have to pay for the images to color, etc.

The point is, even MS knows Windows 8 RT isn't as consumer usable as iPad or the cheapo Androids (which simply based on price will do well). The Surface doesn't need to be a consumer hit to do well, it is the best tablet for business, but it would help. Good apps are trickling out, but the simplicity general consumers want, isn't there. You shouldn't have to "think" at all about much except using it.

I actually would have like to see the desktop environment removed from the Surface RT, but you have to have it for Office :/

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 19:20

They failed. Could also be lag on the Surface because if you don't hold you end up not moving the individual tile. It's not a huge deal, but the very conversation supports the issues raised in the article. I don't know if I would have given these things the same weight as he did, but the points themselves have merit, if not the conclusion.


If you watched the video (or just the part I suggested) I'm curious what you thought in general about it.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 22:50

Well, yeah. It's kinda annoying, but not enough to stress over. Personally, I kinda like Windows 8, but the start screen gets up my nose a bit, and I almost never use any of the metro apps as they just use too much screen space (and I have 2 monitors).

Also, full screen apps on a 24" monitor look horrible.

But it's fine. I quite happily use the desktop, with Classic Start, and I don't generally have any problems until I start to game. Then the hotspots tend to get irritating as, to aid multi-screening, I play games windowed.


I love Windows 8 I really do, but I guess according to Dot I cannot say ONE bad thing about it. It is something that irritates me every day.

So with Start8 Windows 8 is far better than Windows 7. Please, I am not saying that because of the start menu, I like the Start Screen and I only use Start8 to hide the hot corners, boot to the desktop, and to shut down. So let's not start that argument. Although, I do love what Stardock has done with their version of the Start Menu. I just wish Microsoft would have been smart and added an option to disable the hot corners. Why do people need to jump down my throat when I make a criticism?

Also, the ONLY modern app I use is Netflix. I do not mind that being full screen.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 23:00

I'd rather get a lump of coal in my stocking, than a copy of Windows 8.


We'll certainly talk to Santa about that. :p