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#31 OP darkrats

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 00:51

Tried installing on a 40GB partition with USB keyboard/mouse plugged in, and I'm sure the cursor moved for a second or so and then froze.
Tried again with PS/2 keyboard/mouse, but no movement.

I think I need a floppy to use the ME bootdisk. I'll have to search and see if I have any laying about.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 00:58

Tried installing on a 40GB partition with USB keyboard/mouse plugged in, and I'm sure the cursor moved for a second or so and then froze. Tried again with PS/2 keyboard/mouse, but no movement. I think I need a floppy to use the ME bootdisk. I'll have to search and see if I have any laying about.


Depending on the age of the machine, if it has the option to boot from USB, you could use this tutorial for creating a USB DOS boot disk

http://www.<< spam >>/tutorials/46707-ms-dos-bootable-flash-drive-create.html

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#33 mrtonyg

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:49

Try running it from a virtual machine. I have gotten even windows 3.1 running under VMware Workstation.

#34 McKay

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:59

Windows 98 is fail, all of that new crap is for casuals.

Us power users use Windows 95.

#35 +goretsky

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:19

Hello,

What model of IBM NetVista are you using?

Try creating a 1GB partition to install the operating system to. You can always resize it later after installing Microsoft Windows 98.

Also, if the machine has a SATA disk drive, try setting the drive mode to "legacy" or "compatibility" in the BIOS.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

#36 +Karl L.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 15:57

Setting the hard drive to compatibility mode is a very good idea. I didn't even think of that until goretsky brought it up, but MS-DOS can't handle SATA so you probably need it. According to the FreeDOS wiki, however, it does support SATA natively. (So you have a good reason to try the insane idea I posted earlier!)

#37 remixedcat

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 16:01

[never mind]

#38 redvamp128

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 16:26

I know when I used to install Win98se-- I sometimes would have to use install flags-- switches

http://www.theosfile...w98_secrets.htm


/l Use Logitech mouse during setup /n Run setup without a mouse


and on the really hard ones-- I would boot to a prompt- type "sys c:" then copy the install files to the drive then use the command line switches to install.

#39 OP darkrats

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 17:32

The computer is a Netvista S42.

I tried resizing the partition down to 1GB. Still no go. I'm pretty certain the drive is not SATA.
During my last attempt (using both USB and PS/2 input) the cursor moved a bit and then froze.
So it looks like the computer "knows" they are there, but Windows 98 setup can't use them.

Using flags/switches might be worthwhile. I'm using a MS mouse and keyboard.

#40 redvamp128

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 17:33

The computer is a Netvista S42.

I tried resizing the partition down to 1GB. Still no go. I'm pretty certain the drive is not SATA.
During my last attempt (using both USB and PS/2 input) the cursor moved a bit and then froze.
So it looks like the computer "knows" they are there, but Windows 98 setup can't use them.

Using flags/switches might be worthwhile. I'm using a MS mouse and keyboard.


Yes but sometimes if no mouse move the logitech flag made the mouse work if I remember right- But then again worth a try.

#41 redvamp128

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 17:50

The computer is a Netvista S42.

I tried resizing the partition down to 1GB. Still no go. I'm pretty certain the drive is not SATA.
During my last attempt (using both USB and PS/2 input) the cursor moved a bit and then froze.
So it looks like the computer "knows" they are there, but Windows 98 setup can't use them.

Using flags/switches might be worthwhile. I'm using a MS mouse and keyboard.



Found this--

http://forums.techgu...win98-boot.html

Even though it is for an Ibm 600e it might work for yours-- there is win_boot.iso to burn that sets up the drivers you need too...
then it will ask you for you Win98se cd

#42 +goretsky

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:03

Hello,

From what I have been able to find out about the IBM NetVista S42, it shipped with a 2.4GHz Pentium 4 processor.

According to Microsoft Knowledgebase Article # 312108, "Windows protection error in NDIS with a CPU that is faster than 2.1 GHz", neither Microsoft Windows 95 or Windows 98 will install correctly on a computer with a CPU this fast because of a timing error.

Perhaps underclocking the system to 2.0GHz (or lower) will allow Windows to successfully install onto the system.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

#43 Raa

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:25

I tried resizing the partition down to 1GB. Still no go. I'm pretty certain the drive is not SATA.
During my last attempt (using both USB and PS/2 input) the cursor moved a bit and then froze.
So it looks like the computer "knows" they are there, but Windows 98 setup can't use them.

If it moved for a brief second [a test would be to constantly move the mouse wildly around while you run setup, and that way you'll definately know if it detected it], then setup successfully initialized the basic input hardware, but the next part of setup locked the machine - most likely this is the detection of the 500GB hard drive.

As a test, can you drop in an old 20GB hard drive or something small to see if setup will at least proceed?
Heck, try removing the cables to the hard drive and see if you can at least get the mouse/kb to respond...

I'm still of the firm opinion you should be VM'ing this, but i'll persist for the sake of nostalgia. :p

#44 OP darkrats

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:41

Thanks to Raa for suggesting to try a small hard drive. I do have a few sitting around, but it will be later in the week before I can get to it.

And thanks to +goretsky for mentioning the "error in NDIS with a CPU faster than 2.1 GHz". This awakened an old memory of encountering this before, and I also
remember that there is a workaround for this problem. I'll have to go searching for the fix as that eludes me at the moment. I may have written it down in my notes somewhere.

I'll work on this for a few more days and then give it a rest here in the forum.

#45 OilersFan

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 00:19

You might have to enable the max cpuid in the bios as well as disable hyperthreading and multiple cores.



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