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#16 Lord Method Man

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 19:51

Some people need to get a grip. That means you LMM. Zimmerman shouldn't benefit in anyway. He is a murderer.


Nice deflection. I take it you have no relevant retort to the issue at hand then.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 19:52

Here we go again. Can you just keep discussion if Zimmerman is guilty or not in the other post?
This is all about NBC changing the 911 call for their benefit.

Some people need to get a grip. That means you LMM. Zimmerman shouldn't benefit in anyway. He is a murderer.



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Posted 07 December 2012 - 20:06

I'm hope our system isn't so screwed up that he does win. NBC didn't make him say those things and if it comes off as racists, perhaps he needs to own it. He made those statements. I hope that Zimmerman goes to jail for the murder as well.


He answered a question posed by the dispatch operator. NBC edited the sound bite to make it sound like he was following martin because he was black. He should win, and NBC should own their responsibility with the botched reporting and defamation.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 21:08

Self defense isn't murder. Perhaps excessive force, but the law is on his side.

It's not self defense when you start the fight.

This is a lesson everyone should learn: in absolutely no circumstance should you assault someone. It doesn't matter if they are following you. If someone is creeping you out, ignore, run away, or ask what their problem is. Don't surprise or jump them, even if they are smaller than you and you think you can take them. You never know who might have a gun.

Then this should appy to Ziimmerman and he shouldn't follow people, whom dispatch and policy sherrif instructions for NHW specificly say to NOT DO.

Zimmerman followed him, but Zimmerman was well within his rights to walk over and say hello to him if he wanted. But he didn't. He lost sight of Martin. Then, tragedy. The rest is to be decided by the courts.

Actually, Zimmerman wasn't in his rights to follow. NHW watch rules say not to, dispatch said not to, and NHW rules say NO GUNS! Because of these 3 rules which he broke, he was not in the "right" in any action he took.

What Zimmerman was left with was a slandered reputation going into a murder trial. It's a shame that Martin can't testify, but that can't be helped.

Hard to be slandered worse than a child killer. Maybe if he had followed rules, better judgement, and not followed an unarmed kid, this wouldn't be......


Who cares how he was portrayed. Will people stop focusing on the petty non issues and focus on what really went wrong? Or is everyone really this ****ing stupid? We don't need to start giving nuts a reason to start fights which in the end can give them the option to use deadly force because they started to lose. Stand Your Ground is a horrible law that needs to either be demolished or reconstructed completely, and Zimmerman needs to face manslaughter charges at the very least.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 21:36

Self defense isn't murder. Perhaps excessive force, but the law is on his side.

This is a lesson everyone should learn: in absolutely no circumstance should you assault someone. It doesn't matter if they are following you. If someone is creeping you out, ignore, run away, or ask what their problem is. Don't surprise or jump them, even if they are smaller than you and you think you can take them. You never know who might have a gun.

Zimmerman followed him, but Zimmerman was well within his rights to walk over and say hello to him if he wanted. But he didn't. He lost sight of Martin. Then, tragedy. The rest is to be decided by the courts.

What Zimmerman was left with was a slandered reputation going into a murder trial. It's a shame that Martin can't testify, but that can't be helped.

That's you taking the word from someone who was told not to pursue, violated community watch rules, and killed a boy he got in a fight with. He had the duty to avoid that situation. The boy also had the right not to be harassed and to defend himself. The boy had the right to stand his ground when being attacked by an older man.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 21:43

Who cares how he was portrayed. Will people stop focusing on the petty non issues and focus on what really went wrong? Or is everyone really this ****ing stupid? We don't need to start giving nuts a reason to start fights which in the end can give them the option to use deadly force because they started to lose. Stand Your Ground is a horrible law that needs to either be demolished or reconstructed completely, and Zimmerman needs to face manslaughter charges at the very least.

Exactly my point. (Y)

Zimmerman is guilty. He knows it. He will try anything he can to deflect from the truth. The only account of what happened is from him. Only fools will take him at his word. Zimmerman is scared he knows things won't be easy. Travon was standing his ground from an armed assault and was killed.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 21:48

Exactly my point. (Y)

Zimmerman is guilty. He knows it. He will try anything he can to deflect from the truth. The only account of what happened is from him. Only fools will take him at his word. Zimmerman is scared he knows things won't be easy. Travon was standing his ground from an armed assault and was killed.


If that is the case, then how are you supposed to prove that he is lying and that he is guilty. It's all speculation/circumstantial. Then again, that's never stopped Internet law experts before.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 21:58

If that is the case, then how are you supposed to prove that he is lying and that he is guilty. It's all speculation/circumstantial. Then again, that's never stopped Internet law experts before.


Are you just ignoring NHW regulations set up by the sherrif of the county that specificly say, No Guns. How about all the rules set up by the sherrif of the county for NHW that say to not follow or not confront? How about the dispatcher telling him to not confront?
It is easy to see where the fault lies. If you can not, you are only blindly looking at one side and ignoring the evidence that will hold the most weight in court.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 22:03

If that is the case, then how are you supposed to prove that he is lying and that he is guilty. It's all speculation/circumstantial. Then again, that's never stopped Internet law experts before.


yes i see you keep posting... :p

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 22:05

and you are aware that claiming zimmerman started the fight is wrong? you have no evidence for it and theres much more evidence that zimmerman was attacked, you arent legally obliged to listen to a dispatcher and you have the right to come up to people in public to see what they are doing, if someone thinks youre being suspicious that doesnt give you the right to attack them

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 22:07

Are you just ignoring NHW regulations set up by the sherrif of the county that specificly say, No Guns. How about all the rules set up by the sherrif of the county for NHW that say to not follow or not confront? How about the dispatcher telling him to not confront?
It is easy to see where the fault lies. If you can not, you are only blindly looking at one side and ignoring the evidence that will hold the most weight in court.


And valid observations. Not trying to deflect from what actually happened. Travon's family isn't trying to sue the hoodie factory...nor the community where their boy was murdered for looking so upscale that someone would think their boy was up to no good.

and you are aware that claiming zimmerman started the fight is wrong? you have no evidence for it and theres much more evidence that zimmerman was attacked, you arent legally obliged to listen to a dispatcher and you have the right to come up to people in public to see what they are doing, if someone thinks youre being suspicious that doesnt give you the right to attack them


So you just blindly take the word of someone who killed someone. Nice. Seems very likely Zimmerman caused the confrontation as Travon wasn't doing anything wrong. He was just walking home, that's it. Zimmerman had no reason to bother Travon. I mean other than Zimmerman being a racist.

What's suspicious about someone walking home? That gave Zimmerman no right to confront Travon. That was merely in Zimmerman's head. Zimmerman instigated the fight. Zimmerman was armed. Zimmerman felt empowered. Zimmerman shot the boy dead.

Zimmerman claims the boy tried to grab his gun. There's no proof of that. How do you know Travon wasn't trying to keep from being shot at by Zimmerman? Travon was defending his life.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 22:11

and you are aware that claiming zimmerman started the fight is wrong? you have no evidence for it and theres much more evidence that zimmerman was attacked, you arent legally obliged to listen to a dispatcher and you have the right to come up to people in public to see what they are doing, if someone thinks youre being suspicious that doesnt give you the right to attack them


Actually, there is plenty, even ZImmerman says so.
Let me put it simply for you....
ZImmerman was in his car following the kid.
Zimmerman got out of his car and confronted the kid at night.
Who's the one seeming more threatening? To each other, both are, so both can stand their ground.
If a fight started, it was ALL due to Zimmerman getting out of his car and confronting Trayvon.
Fights just don't happen because. Fights happen when 2 oppossing forces meet and 1 will not let the other pass. A fight would not happen if 2 oppossing forces did not meet.... hense, if Zimmerman stayed in his car, as per instruction by NHW rules and dispatch.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 22:16

So you just blindly take the word of someone who killed someone. Nice. Seems very likely Zimmerman caused the confrontation as Travon wasn't doing anything wrong. He was just walking home, that's it. Zimmerman had no reason to bother Travon. I mean other than Zimmerman being a racist.


no I am looking at the current public evidence, of which theres plenty that goes negatively, firstly its a gated community so a person skipping through the yards is suspicious when you don't recognize that person. secondly trayvon wasnt some little teen, he was over 6 feet tall, had a gold grill and numerous tattoos, as well he was suspended from school for 10 days during the time this happened, his twitter feed and Facebook feed have numerous posts that show him selling other people weed. the eyewitness reports that have come out describe trayvon on top of zimmerman bashing his head into the concrete just like zimmerman said, we have pictures now showing his broken nose and bloody face, and thats after he was likely cleaned up a bit, the back of his head showed various cuts and bruises also fitting with zimmermans story, another obvious thing is that people wont usually be on the phone with the cops when theyre out to commit a murder and from what zimmerman was saying on the phone he was not saying anything racist, he was asked what race the person was by the dispatcher

adding to my point its not illegal to go ask someone what they are doing, they dont have a right to start bashing someones head in the concrete because someone wanted to know what they were doing

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 22:17

To be on topic, Zimmerman killed the boy and Zimmerman should not be given any room to sway things in his favor. He is merely distracting from what occurred. That is the point of bringing out what actually happened and that Zimmerman is a murderer.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 22:19

god damn you sure are biased. theres no evidence that he is a racist