nvidia PC To Beat Consoles In Game Sales By 2014

19,784 · December 8, 2012

As good as the PC is when it comes to performance and overall graphics quality it still tends to be a pain to just enjoy a game with little or no issue.

Yeah, because installing new graphics drivers before you play a new game is just so much effort. :rolleyes: Most PC games auto-detect the correction resolution and graphics settings, meaning all you have to do is play the game. Steam means you don't need to worry about installers or patches, plus you can take screenshots of games with the press of a button and upload them online to share with your friends. And with PC gaming you don't have to mess about with DVDs or Blu-rays, which have terrible load times and can easily become unusable if they get too scratched.

Current gen consoles are the visual equivalent of VHS, whereas PC gaming is Blu-ray - sure you need a more expensive player and the remote is more complicated due to the extra buttons but the experience is so much better than it's worth it.

December 8, 2012

ZOMG guys, don't forget about PC piracy oh noez them pesky PC pirates. And they always demand good games whilst console gamers just churn cash like spoiled little dumbo kiddies. Shame on PC gaemrz!

10,131 · December 8, 2012

I love PC gaming and while there are some really innovative console exclusives, the poor performance, gamepad limitations and poor graphical fidelity mean that I'd prefer to skip them than have a consoles that I'd barely ever use.

Yeah, I sold my 360 off recently.

I do expect to get a new console from MS or Sony whenever those show up though.

35,443 · December 8, 2012

Yeah, because installing new graphics drivers before you play a new game is just so much effort. :rolleyes: Most PC games auto-detect the correction resolution and graphics settings, meaning all you have to do is play the game. Steam means you don't need to worry about installers or patches, plus you can take screenshots of games with the press of a button and upload them online to share with your friends. And with PC gaming you don't have to mess about with DVDs or Blu-rays, which have terrible load times and can easily become unusable if they get too scratched.

Current gen consoles are the visual equivalent of VHS, whereas PC gaming is Blu-ray - sure you need a more expensive player and the remote is more complicated due to the extra buttons but the experience is so much better than it's worth it.

Why should I have to bother with my drivers at all is the point, yet we still have newer driver releases that manage to be worse forcing you to roll back. And just because you have something like steam auto updating your games doesn't mean they're better off now than .before. Also even if Xbox games get updates as well the number released is hardly the same. The auto detection for the graphics settings is also weak. I've often had to go in and change it manually because they are set to low even for my hd5770.

2,990 · December 8, 2012

Why should I have to bother with my drivers at all is the point, yet we still have newer driver releases that manage to be worse forcing you to roll back. And just because you have something like steam auto updating your games doesn't mean they're better off now than .before. Also even if Xbox games get updates as well the number released is hardly the same. The auto detection for the graphics settings is also weak. I've often had to go in and change it manually because they are set to low even for my hd5770.

No seriously, your experience may be a tad bad in drivers, but in my case I just simply have no problems with it, I only had one driver with problems disabling my hdmi audio but other than that, problems related to drivers are almost non existent for me... AND I really gain a lot playing games on my "humble" laptop than on current consoles nowadays (sure, newer generations will arrive... but as I mentioned before, they are not serious, as serious as they were on the previous generation to this)

3,207 · December 8, 2012

Why should I have to bother with my drivers at all is the point, yet we still have newer driver releases that manage to be worse forcing you to roll back. And just because you have something like steam auto updating your games doesn't mean they're better off now than .before. Also even if Xbox games get updates as well the number released is hardly the same. The auto detection for the graphics settings is also weak. I've often had to go in and change it manually because they are set to low even for my hd5770.

Oh please, you're just weakly grasping at straws now. Not only do drivers auto-update now (AMD's do at least), but I cannot remember a single game that has outright required a driver update short of the utter trainwreck that was RAGE.

If we're going to echo outdated talking points, how about we put the shoe on the other foot now with 4 letters: RROD.

8,366 · December 8, 2012

I don't understand the arguments, PC and Console will each increase sales and popularity over the years, one will overtake the other, and then vice versa

Neither will die

EDIT - To add a point, aren't Mac and Linux leaning into adding gaming support lately too ?

6,046 · December 8, 2012

"Beat"? I didnt realize they were in a race. I think both will continue to co-exist peacefully. If anything Console gaming has brought advantages to PC gaming too, it's forced developers to refine their engines for lower hardware instead of just relying on newer hardware to power through sloppy coding.

Look at Oblivion compared to Skyrim, Same hardware requirements, a world apart. This means people can make PC's to play games for cheaper. Remember when the 360 first launched? It brought numerous advantages in tech to PC gaming.

This "There can only be one" attitude is hilarious.

35,443 · December 8, 2012

Oh please, you're just weakly grasping at straws now. Not only do drivers auto-update now (AMD's do at least), but I cannot remember a single game that has outright required a driver update short of the utter trainwreck that was RAGE.

If we're going to echo outdated talking points, how about we put the shoe on the other foot now with 4 letters: RROD.

And how many graphics cards get RMAd each year? Or just break and get replaced? You want to bring up the RRoD yet decide to overlook the fact that PC hardware craps out as well. And I'm not even talking about auto-updating drivers or games needing updated drivers I'm talking about drivers that crap your system up. Don't act like people have never had to rollback their drivers because something goes ###### up with their system outside of when they play a game. You can think these issues are outdated but they're not. The best thing that happened in PC gaming was when MS yanked the graphics drivers out of kernel space and back into user space with Vista. Till then any buggy game could BSOD you, thank god that's at least one problem fixed now.

2,990 · December 8, 2012

And how many graphics cards get RMAd each year? Or just break and get replaced? You want to bring up the RRoD yet decide to overlook the fact that PC hardware craps out as well. And I'm not even talking about auto-updating drivers or games needing updated drivers I'm talking about drivers that crap your system up. Don't act like people have never had to rollback their drivers because something goes ###### up with their system outside of when they play a game. You can think these issues are outdated but they're not. The best thing that happened in PC gaming was when MS yanked the graphics drivers out of kernel space and back into user space with Vista. Till then any buggy game could BSOD you, thank god that's at least one problem fixed now.

these cases are isolated, see http://forums.guru3d...isplay.php?f=46 and see also how while there are indeed problems, nobody complains about screwing up the system and rather they complain about performance loss in games (mostly x-fire or tri-fire configurations)

My own laptop is both overclocked from processor and GPU, plus all of my life have used AMD/ATi solutions, never seen cases like you describe.

3,207 · December 8, 2012

And how many graphics cards get RMAd each year? Or just break and get replaced? You want to bring up the RRoD yet decide to overlook the fact that PC hardware craps out as well. And I'm not even talking about auto-updating drivers or games needing updated drivers I'm talking about drivers that crap your system up. Don't act like people have never had to rollback their drivers because something goes ###### up with their system outside of when they play a game. You can think these issues are outdated but they're not. The best thing that happened in PC gaming was when MS yanked the graphics drivers out of kernel space and back into user space with Vista. Till then any buggy game could BSOD you, thank god that's at least one problem fixed now.

You react all too predictably, immediately launching to the defence of Microsoft and the 360, downplaying the issues that have afflicted the system; while overstating issues which can effect PCs.

How many iterations of the 360 did it take Microsoft to solve the RROD issue? How many consoles broke after the release of a popular title?

You might of had a leg to stand on two generations ago when consoles like the original Playstation ruled the roost, but the facts are consoles are no longer the pop-in-and-go systems they were originally. That era died with the ability to do post-release patches. Likewise did the era of system destroying software updates and patch-hunting.

Console vs PC is a matter of form-factor, do you want to game with a controller on a big screen with a sofa; or do you prefer the precision of the keyboard and mouse. Maybe you like modding, maybe you want a device that does more than just play games. Those are the issues, not some half-assed excuse dredged up from the early 2000s.

35,443 · December 8, 2012

these cases are isolated, see http://forums.guru3d...isplay.php?f=46 and see also how while there are indeed problems, nobody complains about screwing up the system and rather they complain about performance loss in games (mostly x-fire or tri-fire configurations)

My own laptop is both overclocked from processor and GPU, plus all of my life have used AMD/ATi solutions, never seen cases like you describe.

Odd because if you ask the nVidia fans they'll tell you ATi drivers are nothing but problems. And as for Nvidia itself it's had it's fair share of problems lately. What about the whole fiasco with it's mobile GPUs overheating and crapping out on laptops? Look, I'm a PC gamer and a console gamer, not one or the other. To deny the PC still has it's share of problems be it software or hardware is the same as sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming. Just because you've had little or no issue doesn't mean your experience is the norm for everyone. I've known people who've had cards crap out on them more than once and I know people who've never had a card die on them at all. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I also know people who install the newest drivers right away only to rollback either because performance got worse like you say or the game and system get unstable.

4,539 · December 9, 2012

Odd because if you ask the nVidia fans they'll tell you ATi drivers are nothing but problems. And as for Nvidia itself it's had it's fair share of problems lately. What about the whole fiasco with it's mobile GPUs overheating and crapping out on laptops? Look, I'm a PC gamer and a console gamer, not one or the other. To deny the PC still has it's share of problems be it software or hardware is the same as sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming. Just because you've had little or no issue doesn't mean your experience is the norm for everyone. I've known people who've had cards crap out on them more than once and I know people who've never had a card die on them at all. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I also know people who install the newest drivers right away only to rollback either because performance got worse like you say or the game and system get unstable.

The laptop GPU thing was like back in 2008 and they were replaced. I have never had all these driver issues you keep going on about. I sometimes forget to update my graphics drivers for 6 months or so yet it seems every time I want to play my 360 I either need to update my dashboard or the game I want to play needs an update. That's because I don't play it often but it is quite annoying nonetheless. I have never had a game complain that the graphics drivers are out of date and a driver update hasn't messed my system up since the XP days. Have you gamed on PC recently?

35,443 · December 9, 2012

You react all too predictably, immediately launching to the defence of Microsoft and the 360, downplaying the issues that have afflicted the system; while overstating issues which can effect PCs.

How many iterations of the 360 did it take Microsoft to solve the RROD issue? How many consoles broke after the release of a popular title?

You might of had a leg to stand on two generations ago when consoles like the original Playstation ruled the roost, but the facts are consoles are no longer the pop-in-and-go systems they were originally. That era died with the ability to do post-release patches. Likewise did the era of system destroying software updates and patch-hunting.

Console vs PC is a matter of form-factor, do you want to game with a controller on a big screen with a sofa; or do you prefer the precision of the keyboard and mouse. Maybe you like modding, maybe you want a device that does more than just play games. Those are the issues, not some half-assed excuse dredged up from the early 2000s.

Get off your high horse, I'm not defending the 360, or MS, if anything you're the one who jumped in to the defend the PC from the get go. Hardware still craps out on the PC, it's the nature of tech. Drivers are released that aren't the best, these things haven't changed. You bring up patching like it's the core of my argument when it's only one part. You bring up systems like steam which auto update and take some of the hassle away yet all it takes is one stroll to the steam community section and you'll see posts from people who've run into problems. It's not as perfect as you want to make it sound

Fact is, and I know this burns you from the sounds of it, but console gaming is still less hassle than PC gaming. And I play on both.

The laptop GPU thing was like back in 2008 and they were replaced. I have never had all these driver issues you keep going on about. I sometimes forget to update my graphics drivers for 6 months or so yet it seems every time I want to play my 360 I either need to update my dashboard or the game I want to play needs an update. That's because I don't play it often but it is quite annoying nonetheless. I have never had a game complain that the graphics drivers are out of date and a driver update hasn't messed my system up since the XP days. Have you gamed on PC recently?

That's good for you, but again, your experience isn't the same one that everyone has. And yes I have gamed recently. I played dishonored on the PC. Of course as is common place around here if anyone says anything about problems with something there will always be someone who says they've never had issues.

3,207 · December 9, 2012

Get off your high horse, I'm not defending the 360, or MS, if anything you're the one who jumped in to the defend the PC from the get go. Hardware still craps out on the PC, it's the nature of tech. Drivers are released that aren't the best, these things haven't changed. You bring up patching like it's the core of my argument when it's only one part. You bring up systems like steam which auto update and take some of the hassle away yet all it takes is one stroll to the steam community section and you'll see posts from people who've run into problems. It's not as perfect as you want to make it sound

Fact is, and I know this burns you from the sounds of it, but console gaming is still less hassle than PC gaming. And I play on both.

I didn't jump in to defend anything, I jumped in to debunk your tired, out of date nonsense.

No one in this thread at any point has made any claim that the PC or any platform is perfect. You however have massively overstated the impact of various PC-related issue despite the disagreement of multiple posters, while trying to divert attention away from the far more impactful RROD issue (I know it burns you to dwell on it, but how many revisions did it take to fix?) by bringing up a less notable run of poorly fabbed laptop chips by NVidia.

The PC isn't perfect, but it's far better than you make it out to be. Consoles however have only gotten more complex and more error-prone.

35,443 · December 9, 2012

I didn't jump in to defend anything, I jumped in to debunk your tired, out of date nonsense.

No one in this thread at any point has made any claim that the PC or any platform is perfect. You however have massively overstated the impact of various PC-related issue despite the disagreement of multiple posters, while trying to divert attention away from the far more impactful RROD issue (I know it burns you to dwell on it, but how many revisions did it take to fix?) by bringing up a less notable run of poorly fabbed laptop chips by NVidia.

The PC isn't perfect, but it's far better than you make it out to be. Consoles however have only gotten more complex and more error-prone.

You're still stuck on the RRoD issue, from what I remember it took 3 revisions. In either case console hardware revisions have always happened, even without a big problem like the RRoD the 360 still would've had it's revisions over time. The whole point is to drop costs. How many revisions did the PlayStation 2 go through?

I guess you live in a perfect PC hardware world, good for you. That doesn't change the fact that even as consoles have gotten more complex they're still less of a hassle than the PC.

3,207 · December 9, 2012

You're still stuck on the RRoD issue, from what I remember it took 3 revisions. In either case console hardware revisions have always happened, even without a big problem like the RRoD the 360 still would've had it's revisions over time. The whole point is to drop costs. How many revisions did the PlayStation 2 go through?

I guess you live in a perfect PC hardware world, good for you. That doesn't change the fact that even as consoles have gotten more complex they're still less of a hassle than the PC.

Hah! You cling to outdated misconceptions and then have the sheer gall to claim -I'm- the one living in a "perfect PC hardware world", and the one "stuck" on the RROD issue?

The only reason I brought up the RROD (and the hilarious time it took them to fix it) in the first place to demonstrate how stuck in the past you are, but it seems the meaning was lost on you.

But as it seems you're not interested in reality and only want to play a game of extremes, I'll leave you with the following thought: It's rather hard to play games on a console that turns itself into a doorstop. ;)

8,699 · December 9, 2012

For the most part ATI's drivers have been rock solid for me. I did have one set (about 6 months ago) that were crashed a few times by Hammer (Valve's map editing tool) but that went away with the next month's update. I haven't had a display driver related BSOD since I built this machine just over a year ago.

19,676 · December 9, 2012

I guess you live in a perfect PC hardware world, good for you. That doesn't change the fact that even as consoles have gotten more complex they're still less of a hassle than the PC.

Not exactly a fact, since your personal experiences and opinions aren't going to accurately hold up to that. Hell, seeing the debate in this thread alone proves that there is little "fact" in the matter.

I mean, I've seen 360 users having gone through at least 3 console systems on average. Whether they got it fixed by Microsoft, got a refurbished model, or a new one altogether, 3 seems to be the magic number from everyone I ask. My point with that is that it'd be silly for me to say PC gaming is easier because I've seen many others with console issues.

And regarding driver issues, or what issues you may see on the forums whether it's consoles or PC gaming, it's very hard to measure any of that because most people who aren't having problems will not be on a forum telling everyone their game is working flawlessly. They're likely too busy playing the game after all, as anyone would be. :p

3,685 · December 9, 2012

My personal failure rate with consoles is far higher than with PC hardware. In fact the most recent console I've owned that didn't suffer some form of hardware failure was the Sega Dreamcast.

7,530 · December 9, 2012

Its amazing to see, what a $500 PC can do with Battlefield 3 and the likes, at Ultra 1080p

4,505 · December 9, 2012

Of course Nvidia (who makes PC graphics cards) would "predict" that PC game sales would rise. What a biased source.

Sure, PC graphics are better and more up to date, but not everyone wants to buy a new graphics card every year.

And for the most part, controller is superior to keyboards. Like seriously, keyboards were not meant for gaming. It was meant for writing text.

22,746 · December 9, 2012

:blink: You're kidding right? I lucked into a very good deal on my current video card, but a comparable one at the moment would cost me about 3/4 of what I paid for my PS3. I've looked at quite a few video card upgrades recently and it is far more expensive than I remember... my first self-build had an (at the time) awesome video card that cost "just" ?130 and lasted me a good 3 years of "maxed" graphics in games and another 2 of "high" to "medium". And back then the gulf between console and PC graphics was far larger than it is now, IMHO.

No, I'm not kidding. I paid over $1200 for my gaming PC back in 2007. Right now, I could build a decent one for $800. It's a mixture of better prices and better performance. It allows you to settle for less but still have better performance than a year ago. Everything from monitors to CPUs to video cards are cheaper today than say, 2009. I remember paying almost $300 for my 22" Acer monitor. Nowadays, you can get a 24" monitor for as little as $150.

That isn't any different on the PC. Activision still want ?40 for Blacks Ops on Steam and ?20 for MW, while physical copies seem to roughly match the console prices. The issue is a certain greedy developer.

You're right. The Call of Duty series was a bad example because Activision is known to keep their prices high for years. Fortunately, other PC games are discounted relatively quickly. The various sales on Steam are a good example of this.

Hardware prices are lower? They're roughly the same from what I can tell. 6 years ago, I spent $130 for a graphics card. Before that card, I had spent maybe $90. All that's changed is the advancement of technology really. The prices aren't exactly lower. All of my PCs over the years have done quite well with $450 put into each machine, and they function as full blown computers, not as just a game console or gameconsole+half-baked-pc. Some might consider this pricey compared to a console, but there are obvious reasons for that. And spending $300 on cheap desktop tower probably isn't going to yield the best results. Never really has, from what I've seen...

Modding isn't exactly making a comeback, as that'd imply it died down somehow. It's always been popular, depending on the game and what the developers did to provide them tools for modification or even simply reducing restrictions to game modification. What we're seeing now though is the full embrace as Valve's Steam Workshop comes into play. I'm hoping Rockstar can strike a deal with them too, as I'm sure they could do wonders with GTAV and pushing profits/sales to a greater level.

But yeah, it's really a good time to be a PC gamer right now. I've always been rather curious though, as how a company like Microsoft renown for being THE software company for PCs... fails so hard at getting their games on the PC or even a good distribution system for that matter... (Sorry if anyone's a fan of Games for Windows Live...) I mean, I'm not complaining, I can totally live without Microsoft's involvement, but it always had me curious.

Yes, they're lower. As I stated above, you can buy cheaper hardware that's good enough for gaming. You don't need to buy a high-end CPU and dual video cards. You can settle for something cheaper like the 2nd-gen Core i5s (which have very similar gaming performance to the Core i7s). Also, the launch prices for video cards with similar names haven't gone down (e.g. Radeon HD 6870 to Radeon HD 7870); however, performance has gone up with each new generation. For example, a medium-end video card from last year is this year's new low-end video card. I remember paying $400 + tax for my Radeon HD 2900 XT.

As for modding, "comeback" was the wrong word to use. I think a better word is "booming". The Steam Workshop is a great example of how a developer can embrace modding. Fans of games like Team Fortress 2 and Dota 2 have done a lot to add new hats, weapons, etc.

19,784 · December 9, 2012

And for the most part, controller is superior to keyboards. Like seriously, keyboards were not meant for gaming. It was meant for writing text.

Firstly, that's ridiculous. Secondly, PCs support controllers. In fact PC users can use the exact same controllers than consoles use - that includes the PS3, Wii and X360. Whereas console users can't use keyboard and mouse to control games, as it would give such players too much of an advantage. So congratulations on pointing out another limitation of console gaming.

4,505 · December 9, 2012

Whereas console users can't use keyboard and mouse to control games, as it would give such players too much of an advantage. So congratulations on pointing out another limitation of console gaming.

Wrong.

Here's one example:

http://www.tweaktown...ouse/index.html

Controller was designed exclusively for gaming; keyboard was not. You can't deny that fact.

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