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#16 +Brando212

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:20

wow I'm glad not very many people think like you seta

this world would be in an even sadder state than it already is if more people thought like you


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:34

wow I'm glad not very many people think like you seta

this world would be in an even sadder state than it already is if more people thought like you


basically every idea of from the 60s and 70s needs to be forgotten except the end of "jim crow" which was the only good thing to come from those years

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:44

other than he basically was a symbol and speaker for the hippie movement. a movement whose repercussions to this day has America deeply divided in a bull**** deluge of class warfare and gender war. A movement that severely dissed our troops and actually thought that free love and drug use was good thing. Thank you hippie movement for giving us things like Charles Manson, play dates, single parent households, HIV among several other really dumb things. If the U.S. government blew up their plane before it landed in america, america would be a better place.


Reading about him, I think he was much more conservative than either his critics or his followers believe. He was deeply interested in religion -- even though mostly into Buddhism he went through a "Christian" phase where he corresponded with evangelical leaders -- just didn't like the hypocrites -- and it turns out he had positive things to say about Pres. Reagan.

Same thing with Bob Dylan, who became interested in Christianity himself, and said that his favorite politician of the 60s era was Barry Goldwater.

But we remember them for the kind of social movement they fit into, not really much about their personal complexities.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:49

Reading about him, I think he was much more conservative than either his critics or his followers believe. He was deeply interested in religion -- even though mostly into Buddhism he went through a "Christian" phase where he corresponded with evangelical leaders -- just didn't like the hypocrites -- and it turns out he had positive things to say about Pres. Reagan.

Same thing with Bob Dylan, who became interested in Christianity himself, and said that his favorite politician of the 60s era was Barry Goldwater.

But we remember them for the kind of social movement they fit into, not really much about their personal complexities.


you want to get in to his personal life. He's a wife beater estranged himself from his son and again was an open communist. He's still a terrible person by today's standards. People like britney spears might be airheads and a little crazy but at least she cares about her children and Paris Hilton, has thus far, been kind enough to have no children at all.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 17:48

you want to get in to his personal life. He's a wife beater estranged himself from his son and again was an open communist. He's still a terrible person by today's standards. People like britney spears might be airheads and a little crazy but at least she cares about her children and Paris Hilton, has thus far, been kind enough to have no children at all.


You want to do a little reading into it yourself. He did abuse his wife, which he admitted to and even sung about and then became an activist for women's rights, anti-war, workers rights any many other causes.

When was the last time you saw Britney Spears or Paris Hilton do anything anywhere near meaningful?

I'm glad their plane didn't "blew up their plane before it landed in america" as you would've liked and the world is much richer from them.

#21 seta-san

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:10

Reading about him, I think he was much more conservative than either his critics or his followers believe. He was deeply interested in religion -- even though mostly into Buddhism he went through a "Christian" phase where he corresponded with evangelical leaders -- just didn't like the hypocrites -- and it turns out he had positive things to say about Pres. Reagan.

Same thing with Bob Dylan, who became interested in Christianity himself, and said that his favorite politician of the 60s era was Barry Goldwater.

But we remember them for the kind of social movement they fit into, not really much about their personal complexities.


who cares what they eventually became? Just because they dropped out doesn't mean that they didn't help create a movement that others have picked up the torch on.

The woman named Jane Roe in the famous Roe V. Wade legalized abortion

that woman's real name is Norma McCorvey and wishes she could take it all back but she can't.. just like John Lennon could never put back the wrongs that he advocated.

http://en.wikipedia....olitical_causes

she wrote

I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!

I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear.[3]



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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:57

other than he basically was a symbol and speaker for the hippie movement. a movement whose repercussions to this day has America deeply divided in a bull**** deluge of class warfare and gender war. A movement that severely dissed our troops and actually thought that free love and drug use was good thing. Thank you hippie movement for giving us things like Charles Manson, play dates, single parent households, HIV among several other really dumb things. If the U.S. government blew up their plane before it landed in america, america would be a better place.


Play dates??? What's wrong with kids playing together and learning to socialize, not to mention a chance for parents to discuss parenting together?

That's been happening since the beginning of time, why do you think the "hippies" created it?

#23 seta-san

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:42

Play dates??? What's wrong with kids playing together and learning to socialize, not to mention a chance for parents to discuss parenting together?

That's been happening since the beginning of time, why do you think the "hippies" created it?


no it hasn't been like that forever. When my parents, the baby boomers, played the parents simply kicked them out of the house and the kids didn't come back until dinner. Today, because there is a paranoia of kidnappers, rapists, drug dealers, etc play is never spontaneous. It now has to be scheduled between parents whom know trust each other when back in the day everyone in a neighborhood already knew and trusted each other..

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:00

I'm sorry, to a lot of people this will sound ignorant but I barely care anymore.

Not this Beatles crap again, get over it already. Some people even go as far as thinking they are this "elite group" of people these days because they listen to and follow Beatles everywhere they go, I got news to you, if you're one of them you're mentally ill.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 00:54

I got news to you, if you're one of them you're mentally ill.


Isn't that a bit harsh?