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I have PAID extra for films in there Triple Play, (DVD + BlueRay + Digital)... all i can say is i will NEVER EVER pay
extra for the digital copy (even if its come free). How can it take 1hour to run there silly installer to install the digital
copy on to a device and if you choose to put it on a phone you need there shody coded app to play it.

Then you get another film from another Studio and have to use a totally different App for that one.

Sorry but i will just buy the Blueray film on its own.. and download a digital copy from Torrents/Usenet or what other place
i find and bypass the studio junk of a digital copy full of DRM poor bitrate and stuttering rubbish App.

so yeah, studios are blind... so they can moan and groan all they like.. there people here paying Usenet and Torrents sites
for VIP access that if the Studios woke up they find people willing to pay for a proper combined and free to play on any device service.

but they won't invest that sort of cash.. as it just easier to blame there comsumers being pirates and evil. well if that how
they want to treat us then tough to them.

Where there is a will they will be a way.. do the Studios have a Will.. i doubt it.
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i stopped using index sites about a year ago when i found out you can just run your own private one.

its called newznab and most of the good usenet index sites use newznab
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[quote name='ThehAWKs' timestamp='1355161288' post='595381492']
i stopped using index sites about a year ago when i found out you can just run your own private one.

its called newznab and most of the good usenet index sites use newznab
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Hmm.. Interesting, and good to know!

As for the rest of the conversation that has been going on: I'll stand up and speak honestly about the state of media. Currently, I purchase all of my music or get it through legal means. Illegal music has just become more headache than it is worth. With all the big boys competing with each other and offering DRM-free files to download, the consumer music market has NEVER been better. When I was in high school back in the 90's a new CD cost $14-$18 (for a 1 disc album). These days new albums are HALF that. That's awesome, and really gives me nothing but petty reasons to pirate music now.

Wake up Movie and TV industry! Look at what is happening in the digital music market and please COPY. Stop punishing the folks who pay for your stuff while the people who pirate your content have a much better experience! We get our movies and TV through cable, Amazon Prime, and RedBox. Sometimes, though, we will miss our TV show or the movie we want to watch is just unavailable unless we pay a ridiculous amount to Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, or Google Play to rent or just go to Best Buy and purchase for a ridiculous amount. So yes, I use Usenet at time to supplement this. If they get their head on straight they will figure out that the best way to fight piracy is strip out the DRM crap, learn to trust their customers, and lower their prices.

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[quote name='ThehAWKs' timestamp='1355161288' post='595381492']
i stopped using index sites about a year ago when i found out you can just run your own private one.

its called newznab and most of the good usenet index sites use newznab
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Looks like a bit of an headache to set up tho :/

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[quote name='TW.4T' timestamp='1355163323' post='595381606']
Looks like a bit of an headache to set up tho :/
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Just going by the description, I would imagine it would be... I mean, it is an indexer.

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talking of newznab, as mentioned about quite a few sites use it now to index, so just gotta find one of them you like (the only difference between each one is what it looks like/organised and how big the community is e.g. forums comments etc) but if you want to find one then here's a link Sabnzdb have posted on there forums page http://goo.gl/D4WL5

then there is always binsearch as well which is a very raw search but tends to have everything, just gotta look for collections on there

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Private sites and hidden posts are were everything is going. Can't stop what doesn't exist. The newznab is a interesting idea, but with the advent of hidden posts its useless. By hidden I mean scrambled headers. Only stuff that ever gets shut down are the services that are easy enough for anyone to use. Adapt and use a brain for the more complicated solutions.

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[quote name='Klownicle' timestamp='1355165138' post='595381698']
Private sites and hidden posts are were everything is going. Can't stop what doesn't exist. The newznab is a interesting idea, but with the advent of hidden posts its useless. By hidden I mean scrambled headers. Only stuff that ever gets shut down are the services that are easy enough for anyone to use. Adapt and use a brain for the more complicated solutions.
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Yeah that's the future I guess :/

I'm on a big dutch private newsgroup myself btw :p

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[quote name='Seahorsepip' timestamp='1355165482' post='595381714']
Yeah that's the future I guess :/

I'm on a big dutch private newsgroup myself btw :p
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Something I found interesting is Newsleecher now offers a Usenet + Client + Supersearch package. What else would you need for a flat 9.99 (ish?) a month fee. Its actually quite tempting once they work out the kinks. They are a HighWinds reseller. No need to pay for a client AND usenet access. Then again who pays for clients these days lol, plenty good free alternatives. But as I said, scrambled headers and private sites will make this useless for "searching" with supersearch. These companies only auto report files they see matching titles on groups. If titles dont match they would have to police manually. Not very cost effective. I just like the idea of them offering the client for free. However, Newsleecher 4 really took away alot of options that Newsleecher 3 had. Interested to see where Newsleecher 5 goes.

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Sorry guys but there's no justification for using sites like these.

Plenty of ways to see movies/TV shows/etc legally.

Cinema, cable, iTunes, Netflix, other TV services, etc.

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[quote name='Hardcore Til I Die' timestamp='1355165943' post='595381738']
Sorry guys but there's no justification for using sites like these.

Plenty of ways to see movies/TV shows/etc legally.

Cinema, cable, iTunes, Netflix, other TV services, etc.
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Depends on the country someone lives in, It's COMPLETELY legal to download movies and music here, I pay a damn "media" fee on every "media" object I buy...

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[quote name='Hardcore Til I Die' timestamp='1355165943' post='595381738']
Sorry guys but there's no justification for using sites like these.

Plenty of ways to see movies/TV shows/etc legally.

Cinema, cable, iTunes, Netflix, other TV services, etc.
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Read my earlier post - it comes from dissatisfaction from whats available. If you haven't used a streamlined solution like sickbeard/couchpotato/sabnzbd/plex then I would very much believe you'd be happy using something inferior and riddled with DRM. But for many, dropping back to the mainstream stuff is simply a downgrade I'm afraid.

The industry needs to offer something better. It's currently just not good enough. If people didn't feel like they were justified using them then they simply wouldn't use them and they'd use the legal alternatives you mentioned. Music piracy forced THAT industry to adapt (we now have DRM free music downloads) and now the Movie/TV industry needs to do the same.

Your blanket "no justification" comment is frankly a bit shortsighted. Changes need to be made.
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[quote name='Hardcore Til I Die' timestamp='1355165943' post='595381738']
Sorry guys but there's no justification for using sites like these.

Plenty of ways to see movies/TV shows/etc legally.

Cinema, cable, iTunes, Netflix, other TV services, etc.
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You can sit on your high horse all you want thinking we don't spend money legally. You think just becuase we use sites like this doesn't mean we arn't doing legal services also? Its all about availability. I have NetFlix, MoviePass, TV Service, and have a massive collection of blurays not to mention limited editions that you end up paying more than double the cost of a normal bluray. I can tell you justification comes with availability. When these services finally get up to snuff of what the "pirates" are doing. MAYBE there wouldn't be such an issue. Look at hidef rips of movies not even available in retail channels but you can "pirate" a copy of it online in hidef. I'd gladly give them more, but they choose to fight rather than work together. Then you got these companies trying to pass on crap to the end-user with low quality transfers.

When there is no company providing what you want, you will seek alternatives. When you seek alternatives, some people create there own and share to others wanting the same.
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[quote name='Seahorsepip' timestamp='1355166772' post='595381766']
Depends on the country someone lives in, It's COMPLETELY legal to download movies and music here, I pay a damn "media" fee on every "media" object I buy...
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That goes without saying. I'm talking about countries where piracy is illegal.

[quote name='Axel' timestamp='1355166971' post='595381782']
Read my earlier post - it comes from dissatisfaction from whats available. If you haven't used a streamlined solution like sickbeard/couchpotato/sabnzbd/plex then I would very much believe you'd be happy using something inferior and riddled with DRM. But for many, dropping back to the mainstream stuff is simply a downgrade I'm afraid.

The industry needs to offer something better. It's currently just not good enough. If people didn't feel like they were justified using them then they simply wouldn't use them and they'd use the legal alternatives you mentioned. Music piracy forced THAT industry to adapt (we now have DRM free music downloads) and now the Movie/TV industry needs to do the same.

Your blanket "no justification" comment is frankly a bit shortsighted. Changes need to be made.
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If you're dissatisfied with what's available then go and stand on a picket line and protest, write in to the media, whatever. Getting content by illegal means does nothing to express your dissatisfaction; the content providers will just assume you're a cheapo.

If you're not happy with what's available then you should abstain from getting that media altogether, rather than becoming a criminal and seeking illegal means to get them.

Shortsighted my ass. I'm just being realistic.

[quote name='Klownicle' timestamp='1355167183' post='595381792']
You can sit on your high horse all you want thinking we don't spend money legally. You think just becuase we use sites like this doesn't mean we arn't doing legal services also? Its all about availability. I have NetFlix, MoviePass, TV Service, and have a massive collection of blurays not to mention limited editions that you end up paying more than double the cost of a normal bluray. I can tell you justification comes with availability. When these services finally get up to snuff of what the "pirates" are doing. MAYBE there wouldn't be such an issue. Look at hidef rips of movies not even available in retail channels but you can "pirate" a copy of it online in hidef. I'd gladly give them more, but they choose to fight rather than work together. Then you got these companies trying to pass on crap to the end-user with low quality transfers.

When there is no company providing what you want, you will seek alternatives. When you seek alternatives, some people create there own and share to others wanting the same.
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All I see is WAHHH.

If you can't get what you want by legal means then just don't have it. You act like you're ENTITLED to have that content in the way that YOU want it. Get over yourself.

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[quote name='Hardcore Til I Die' timestamp='1355167478' post='595381802']
That goes without saying. I'm talking about countries where piracy is illegal.



If you're dissatisfied with what's available then go and stand on a picket line and protest, write in to the media, whatever. Getting content by illegal means does nothing to express your dissatisfaction; the content providers will just assume you're a cheapo.

If you're not happy with what's available then you should abstain from getting that media altogether, rather than becoming a criminal and seeking illegal means to get them.

Shortsighted my ass. I'm just being realistic.
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Protest and picket, seriously? Can you not see the voice of the internet? Its a new generation of protest and picket. Are they listening, they will eventually, this is our way of protest and picket.

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[quote name='Klownicle' timestamp='1355167654' post='595381812']
Protest and picket, seriously? Can you not see the voice of the internet? Its a new generation of protest and picket. Are they listening, they will eventually, this is our way of protest and picket.
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Except that there's no clear message being sent to these companies. How do they differentiate between those who simply want to avoid payment and those who are protesting?

It's a poor protest at best. I think it's more of an excuse.

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[quote name='Hardcore Til I Die' timestamp='1355167738' post='595381816']
Except that there's no clear message being sent to these companies. How do they differentiate between those who simply want to avoid payment and those who are protesting?

It's a poor protest at best. I think it's more of an excuse.
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The same can be said if you stand outside a building with a sign and write letters. I am in no way saying every pirate is a saint, people who seek profit by piracy are not saints.

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[quote name='Klownicle' timestamp='1355168033' post='595381828']
The same can be said if you stand outside a building with a sign and write letters. I am in no way saying every pirate is a saint, people who seek profit by piracy are not saints.
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Not really because the message is clear then; it's written down. You're issuing your demands, telling them what you want.

If you just pirate material, you're not actually telling them anything and they have to second guess your intent.

Surely you can see the difference?

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[quote name='Hardcore Til I Die' timestamp='1355168307' post='595381840']
Not really because the message is clear then; it's written down. You're issuing your demands, telling them what you want.

If you just pirate material, you're not actually telling them anything and they have to second guess your intent.

Surely you can see the difference?
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Are we not writing down now? Its not my fault if they choose to ignore what is written, or if they choose not to look out of the 40th floor window to see the crowd below. My voice is one but of many throughout the internet, freely available for them to see. You can say its scattered but just as a disfunctional crowd or a single letter would prove, eventually that voice is heard. We are both on the same page you just choose not to believe the internet is a proper voice.
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[quote name='Hardcore Til I Die' timestamp='1355167738' post='595381816']
Except that there's no clear message being sent to these companies. How do they differentiate between those who simply want to avoid payment and those who are protesting?

It's a poor protest at best. I think it's more of an excuse.
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Your arguments are fairly shallow... picket and protest? REALLY? Thanks for not even attempting to understand the issue. You're also not listening. Piracy has steered the music industry in the right direction, it's gonna happen with the Movie industry eventually.

We're not entitled. We just know what we like. There are people who sit back and take it, and others who make stuff work the way they want.

I'm just a firm believer that the consumer should drive the industry - these methods are just an alternate way of consumerism that still needs to be tapped as a legitimate business. It's just evolution. Without these steps, no progress will ever be made. We'd probably all still be sitting around watching DVD's that cost
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[quote name='Klownicle' timestamp='1355168622' post='595381856']
Are we not writing down now? Its not my fault if they choose to ignore what is written, or if they choose not to look out of the 40th floor window to see the crowd below. My voice is one but of many throughout the internet, freely available for them to see. You can say its scattered but just as a disfunctional crowd or a single letter would prove, eventually that voice is heard. We are both on the same page you just choose not to believe the internet is a proper voice.
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I don't think the movie industry employs people to comb through message boards finding out what people's opinion of them is.

Again, all I'm seeing here are excuses. If you really wanted to make a difference you'd let the movie companies know about your dissatisfaction directly and be quite vocal about it. I think "fighting the system" is just a convenient excuse for pirates to justify their criminal activity.

[quote name='Axel' timestamp='1355168689' post='595381862']
Your arguments are fairly shallow... picket and protest? REALLY? Thanks for not even attempting to understand the issue. You're also not listening. Piracy has steered the music industry in the right direction, it's gonna happen with the Movie industry eventually.

We're not entitled. We just know what we like. There are people who sit back and take it, and others who make stuff work the way they want.

I'm just a firm believer that the consumer should drive the industry - these methods are just an alternate way of consumerism that still needs to be tapped as a legitimate business. It's just evolution. Without these steps, no progress will ever be made. We'd probably all still be sitting around watching DVD's that cost

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[quote name='Hardcore Til I Die' timestamp='1355169038' post='595381872']
I don't think the movie industry employs people to comb through message boards finding out what people's opinion of them is.

Again, all I'm seeing here are excuses. If you really wanted to make a difference you'd let the movie companies know about your dissatisfaction directly and be quite vocal about it. I think "fighting the system" is just a convenient excuse for pirates to justify their criminal activity.



Consumers would drive the industry by simply not buying the movies at all. Getting them in some other way does nothing to strengthen the argument. No movie company wants to make movies that nobody buys. Obviously if everybody voted with their wallets and didn't buy something because they didn't like the way it's distributed, the companies would look at what they're doing wrong. Obtaining the content via illegal means actually adds very little to the argument at all.

Again, convenient excuse. ;)
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People won't stop buying movies because they DO want to watch movies. I'm just saying that industry would have been happy sitting back and charging

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[quote name='Axel' timestamp='1355169497' post='595381884']
People won't stop buying movies because they DO want to watch movies. I'm just saying that industry would have been happy sitting back and charging

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[quote name='Axel' timestamp='1355169497' post='595381884']
People won't stop buying movies because they DO want to watch movies. I'm just saying that industry would have been happy sitting back and charging

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If a service existed that allowed me to watch all the latest movies and TV Episodes as soon as they are out on bluray in 1080p streaming to my tv via some box with a monthly fee i'd be very happy to do that. Unfortunately my netflix and Amazon prime really dont offer anything new.

People dont always pirate because they dont want to pay, many do it because there is no other way to get the content..

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