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#61 Javik

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 21:53

He did have a third option you know: Let go of the door, call the actual police, and let them do their job. A scenario that sees nobody dying.


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 21:58

He did have a third option you know: Let go of the door, call the actual police, and let them do their job. A scenario that sees nobody dying.


Not a real option once the car was underway. Try it yourself.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:00

He shouldn't have grabbed it in the first place. In the UK we have health and safety laws that prevent moronic metrocops from doing this very thing.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:08

He shouldn't have grabbed it in the first place. In the UK we have health and safety laws that prevent moronic metrocops from doing this very thing.


Bat **** crazy health and safety laws. No-one thinks of H & S laws in these situations, it happens so quickly you don't have time to think about it, you just do what you are trained to do.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:08

So I'm not willing to listen to the facts? You seem to be guilty of the same thing. Unless you're stating that the punishment for resisting arrest is Execution? If so please state the source.

So resisting arrest makes someone worthy of losing their life now? Newsflash: Most criminals try and evade capture. It doesn't negate proportional response.


Both of you seem intent on pulling a strawman argument,

Sorry no... first of all this was not "execution"...and at first your argument was "petty theft"... now it is "evading arrest". Secondly action was not taking from the suspect merely fleeing (otherwise the story would be about him shooting her while she was running away on foot).

At the end of the day, during the commission of a crime, the suspects took action that resulted in the Officer using Deadly Force.... feel free to review Texas Penal Code (Chapter 9, Deadly Force Statutes).... that should help clarify any misgivings you seem to have about how the laws work.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:09

He shouldn't have grabbed it in the first place. In the UK we have health and safety laws that prevent moronic metrocops from doing this very thing.

He did have a third option you know: Let go of the door, call the actual police, and let them do their job. A scenario that sees nobody dying.


You don't seem to understand... he is the actual police. He was even in uniform. He's not a fake "mall cop".

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:10

Both of you seem intent on pulling a strawman argument,

Sorry no... first of all this was not "execution"...and at first you argument was "petty theft"... now it is "evading arrest". Secondly action was not taking from the suspect merely fleeing (otherwise the story would be about him shooting her while she was running away on foot).

At the end of the day, during the commission of a crime, the suspects took action that resulted in the Officer using Deadly Force.... feel free to review Texas Penal Code (Chapter 9, Deadly Force Statutes).... that should help clarify any misgivings you seem to have about how the laws work.


And I feel that he wrongly used deadly force.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:13

And I feel that he wrongly used deadly force.


And you where there, right, and you work for the DA who is investigating this incident I take it?

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:18

Wrong, and wrong again. Im not anti-cop. You're one of those who defends any Cop no matter what he does, because he's a Police Man there's no way he could do anything wrong. And Criminals who break any laws deserve to be killed.


Oh, so in all of my posts, which is all of one I always defend the cops? LMAO. Talk about a weak argument there.

Oh, and yes. I know I am feeding the trolls, its fun and entertaining in this case.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:20

After all the BS is said and done this shoplifter would not have been shot if she was obeying the law. Assaulting an officer is not a cool thing to do.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:22

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:22

And I feel that he wrongly used deadly force.


The suspect was committing "assault [of a police officer!] with a deadly weapon". I've know people to get charged with assault with a deadly weapon for barely (but intentionally) nudging people with their cars.

Theft. Resisting arrest. Assault of a police officer. Assault with a deadly weapon. And now her accomplices will likely be charged with murder.


Wrong. Im not anti-cop. You're one of those who defends any Cop no matter what he does, because he's a Police Man there's no way he could do anything wrong. And Criminals who break any laws deserve to be killed.


No, criminals who break laws do not necessarily deserve to be killed. Nobody has claimed that. You're putting words in everyone's mouths. But in the case of self defense, yes, deadly force is warranted.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:31

No, what I will not defend though are reckless Policemen who's incompetence results in someone being killed over petty theft. I can see he really aced the Police exam. All she wanted to do was escape, she was no danger to him. He put his own life in danger and she paid the ultimate price for his recklessness.


It's interesting that you place the blame on the police man instead of the person who you know... actually did something wrong. Forgetting that she actually physically attacked him in the process of all this. She is the only one to blame. Let's also not forget that instead of just accepting her fate and dealing with maybe just paying a fine and being banned from that walmart she ran. Causing everything that followed.

And honestly, do you think that cop is happy with how that night turned out? He's going to have to live the rest of his life knowing he shot and killed some dumbass lady in front of her kids. I feel more sorry for the cop and the kids and they are the only ones who are suffering because of this ladies stupidity. No one else is to blame.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:35

It's interesting that you place the blame on the police man instead of the person who you know... actually did something wrong. Forgetting that she actually physically attacked him in the process of all this. She is the only one to blame. Let's also not forget that instead of just accepting her fate and dealing with maybe just paying a fine and being banned from that walmart she ran. Causing everything that followed.

And honestly, do you think that cop is happy with how that night turned out? He's going to have to live the rest of his life knowing he shot and killed some dumbass lady in front of her kids. I feel more sorry for the cop and the kids and they are the only ones who are suffering because of this ladies stupidity. No one else is to blame.


I'm not putting all the blame on the Cop, if you read my earlier comment I said I know she was wrong to commit the crimes, I'm just saying the Cop handled it wrong and used excessive force. I'm not saying this stuff to the Cop, Im saying this to the people who are saying stuff like "Good" and "One less Scum" etc

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:35

He'd just opened the door, so he was at the side of the car, you assume she was going to make another pass and run him over?


Yes. Officers are trained this way, because it's often true. Also that kind of response from the suspect usually means they're running because they're actually wanted for something much worse, and must be considered armed and extremely dangerous. It's an unfortunate outcome and it doesn't mean she "got what she deserved," but the officer's actions sound reasonable given the description of events.