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#61 FlintyV

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 17:13

You said that a gun ban would lower gun homicides in the US. Since we know that banning guns won't change the number of firearms out there as seen in places like DC where even with the gun ban and the current assault rifle ban, there are just as many people with guns, it means you think that just because guns are banned criminals will see the ban and think to themselves, I guess I have to find something else to kill people with. In Europe, where guns were never as readily available, gun bans in the past made gun related homicides go down. In the US the exact opposite has been proven to be true. Every location in the US where gun bans took effect caused gun related homicides to spike, not decrease. Again, different cultures need different laws. Gun bans have failed repeatedly in the US, not stop claiming magic exists, since magic is the only way all the guns would instantly disappear. The only way a gun ban can have any effect is if guns 100% disappeared instantly, since that won't happen, what you are claiming is that criminals will follow the law, since nothing else, as it has been proven multiple times, will lower gun crime.

Also, New York city.... so again, your entire argument fails. Not to mention, a competent metal worker can build a homemade gun, the same way they did DC. The past proves you wrong.


Again I never claimed that criminals follow the law and for some odd reason you think I'm claiming that magic exists. I'm not sure why you keep insisting on warping what I'm saying.


#62 ILikeTobacco

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 17:21

Again I never claimed that criminals follow the law and for some odd reason you think I'm claiming that magic exists. I'm not sure why you keep insisting on warping what I'm saying.

I am not warping anything. You claim gun bans make gun murders go down in the USA. The only way that is possible is if criminals actually care what the law says. Since we know that gun bans have the exact opposite effect of what you are claiming to be true, as seen in DC and NYC, you are claiming a miracle(also known as magic) will happen and criminals will all of a sudden start obeying the laws.

And in context of this event at the Portland mall, where guns are banned, a gun ban had no effect. It happened anyway. Funny how all the public shootings only happen in places were guns are banned though just giving more proof that a gun ban does nothing to stop criminals from doing this.

#63 FlintyV

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 17:40

I am not warping anything. You claim gun bans make gun murders go down in the USA. The only way that is possible is if criminals actually care what the law says. Since we know that gun bans have the exact opposite effect of what you are claiming to be true, as seen in DC and NYC, you are claiming a miracle(also known as magic) will happen and criminals will all of a sudden start obeying the laws.

And in context of this event at the Portland mall, where guns are banned, a gun ban had no effect. It happened anyway. Funny how all the public shootings only happen in places were guns are banned though just giving more proof that a gun ban does nothing to stop criminals from doing this.


That's why a nationwide ban would be much better. Yes, the only think to stop these shootings is more guns, there's some sound logic right there...

#64 Marshall

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 17:46

This thread has run it's course. We already have a Gun Debate Thread.

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