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[siah1214]

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Police say two people have been killed and at least four injured after a man with a rifle opened fire inside the Clackamas Town Center.
PORTLAND, Ore. — Two people have been killed and at least four injured after a man opened fire inside the Clackamas Town Center, according to preliminary reports.
Dispatchers received reports that a shooting may have occurred near Macy's inside the shopping mall and a man was seen with a rifle near the mall's food court, says The Oregonian.
One witness at the Clackamas Town Center told television station KATU at least two people were shot, and he saw sheets put over them.
Another witness told the station she saw people screaming and parents grabbing their children as they fled the mall.
That witness said the gunman had a rifle and was wearing a camouflage outfit and a mask.
Another witness said ambulances were arriving at the scene.
Entrances to the mall have been blocked off.

http://news.msn.com/...ar-portland-ore
These stories seem to be happening on a weekly basis now.

[Growled]

Just another reason to arm the citizens. Let's see what a crazy who want to shoot up a mall thinks when he sees 10 guns pointed back at him.

[Blackhearted]

Growled, on 12 December 2012 - 00:49, said:

Just another reason to arm the citizens. Let's see what a crazy who want to shoot up a mall thinks when he sees 10 guns pointed back at him.

Oh yes, handing out guns to even more people that really shouldn't have them is a great plan.

I suppose you also think the key to put out a fire is to add more fuel.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Just remember, 80,000,000 gun owners didn't kill anyone today, so its ok.....

[sidroc]

TheLegendOfMart, on 12 December 2012 - 11:01, said:

Just remember, 80,000,000 gun owners didn't kill anyone today, so its ok.....

My newphew called me from the managers office in one of the stores in Clackamas, he had shots land within 25 feet of him and had to run into live fire for cover. He told me the rounds were 223 and it was an ar15 and that the man dropped atleast one mag *nephew when shots stopped and he thought he was safe when and picked up a casing and identified the gun by its mag). One of the fatalities he saw was a headshot. He said he heard someone (he thinks the gunman) Start screaming hands up after about 20 rounds.

[sidroc]

TheLegendOfMart, on 12 December 2012 - 11:01, said:

Just remember, 80,000,000 gun owners didn't kill anyone today, so its ok.....

My sister was in that mall. She carries a handgun, but had taken it off of her because handguns are banned in the mall.....That said, I was in Lloyd Center mall up he road that day and had as usual removed my gun when entering the mall. I had almost gone shopping with them I was almost in Clackamas mall with them and I wouldn't of had my gun on me. That changes now, I am buying an in pants holster so I can carry in more places with less people noticing. I wont stand by and let something happen if Im around and I am sure I have the courage after the introspection form what happened to me a few years ago as many of you might remember.

[+Chicane-UK]

I don't even know why people continue to debate firearms on here really. Those who are pro-firearms only see events like this as a reason why more people should be armed. And those who are anti-firearms think events like this are the exact reason why people shouldn't be armed. Neither is ever likely to shift opinion as clearly both viewpoints are based on deep-rooted opinions and feeling, so why even bother arguing about it, and falling out with each other.

Either way it's another sad, tragic event. Needless loss of life and especially this close to the holidays - very sad

[sidroc]

Chicane-UK, on 12 December 2012 - 13:06, said:

I don't even know why people continue to debate firearms on here really. Those who are pro-firearms only see events like this as a reason why more people should be armed. And those who are anti-firearms think events like this are the exact reason why people shouldn't be armed. Neither is ever likely to shift opinion as clearly both viewpoints are based on deep-rooted opinions and feeling, so why even bother arguing about it, and falling out with each other.

Either way it's another sad, tragic event. Needless loss of life and especially this close to the holidays - very sad

I am not pro firearms, Ive grown to hate guns, and if I lived in a normal country where guns weren't everywhere I would feel no need to own one. But things are too close to home for me and the US is too saturated with weapons for any change to happen. Like you said , very tragic and I am so very relieved my sister and nieces and nephews weren't hurt (although my nephew came close).

[Dane]

sidroc, on 12 December 2012 - 13:01, said:

My sister was in that mall. She carries a handgun, but had taken it off of her because handguns are banned in the mall.....That said, I was in Lloyd Center mall up he road that day and had as usual removed my gun when entering the mall. I had almost gone shopping with them I was almost in Clackamas mall with them and I wouldn't of had my gun on me. That changes now, I am buying an in pants holster so I can carry in more places with less people noticing. I wont stand by and let something happen if Im around and I am sure I have the courage after the introspection form what happened to me a few years ago as many of you might remember.

Those "no guns" sign mean something out there?? They don't here. I just conceal at the malls. They have to spot you first then ask for you to take it outside. Concealed means concealed.

[sidroc]

Dane, on 12 December 2012 - 13:24, said:

Those "no guns" sign mean something out there?? They don't here. I just conceal at the malls. They have to spot you first then ask for you to take it outside. Concealed means concealed.

The problem is just how much trouble they will give you, you might be banned from the mall and not able to shop their etc. I don't really care about the rules anymore though, if I am kicked out I am kicked out, but preferably no one will notice.

[Dane]

sidroc, on 12 December 2012 - 13:33, said:

The problem is just how much trouble they will give you, you might be banned from the mall and not able to shop their etc. I don't really care about the rules anymore though, if I am kicked out I am kicked out, but preferably no one will notice.

Indeed. The worst around here is they will just ask you to leave it in your car or leave. They won't ban you the first time.

[ILikeTobacco]

Dane, on 12 December 2012 - 13:35, said:

Indeed. The worst around here is they will just ask you to leave it in your car or leave. They won't ban you the first time.

I think it would have to be a giant mall to ban you. The smaller ones need your business to much. That being said, in a giant mall, how would they ever spot you and you can claim ignorance if they ever did.

[sidroc]

Im surprised the news media hasn't quite yet picked up on the gun it was. It was an AR15 in 223 Caliber. Waiting for this part to come out.

[ILikeTobacco]

sidroc, on 12 December 2012 - 13:45, said:

Im surprised the news media hasn't quite yet picked up on the gun it was. It was an AR15 in 223 Caliber. Waiting for this part to come out.

If they try to ban it, I may just have to go shopping. One of my favorite firearms to shoot.

[Dane]

ILikeTobacco, on 12 December 2012 - 13:43, said:

I think it would have to be a giant mall to ban you. The smaller ones need your business to much. That being said, in a giant mall, how would they ever spot you and you can claim ignorance if they ever did.

True. At my local malls its posted VERY small on the wall.

I have been tempted to take out a loan for about 2k. Get a custom AR and a few hundred or thousand rounds. Just to have in case of a ban.