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#46 MorganX

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 22:04

As someone stated, I don't think there should be free online multiplayer and that definitely wouldn't happen.
Although I figure we should be able to browse the web and use the apps without XBOX Live Gold, but I really don't care, it's cheap enough.
Sure is gonna suck waiting almost a year for it though, I'm sooo looking forward to getting one.

I agree multiplayer and most of the service should not be free. Helps control, to some degree, the community. However, I also agree that browsing the web and most apps should be free.

Bluetooth would be nice.


#47 Colin McGregor

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 22:05

12) Put a Sony label on it :p


Considering xbox has outsold PS3 for almost 24 months in a row putting sony label on it would just kill sales.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 22:34

You guys should know that the Xbox 360 is only bigger than the PS3 in the US. In Europe the Xbox 360 sold far less than the PS3, and in Japan the X360's sales were laughable compared to the PS3. Over here you won't find anyone saying the X360 is better either.

The problem with Microsoft is that they still don't know how to properly launch a service internationally. Most of Microsoft's paid services (games, movies, tv-shows and music) aren't completely (or not at all) available outside the US. With Sony it's a completely different story, most of their services are available all over the world. Also, exclusives. Sony's are just a lot better.

If Sony manages to get the PS3 out first this time around they'll be winning the next generation console war completely.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 22:35

  • have it run all Win RT apps (would help MS gain traction on ARM devices)
  • pitch it as all in one entertainment centre that can do serious stuff if you wish - most TV's support high resolutions these days and wireless devices are common, why not run have the option to run office to compose a quick letter or use an app to print out a family picture? If Microsoft wants to dominate the living room it makes sense to cover all their bases.
  • standard hdd's rather than proprietary cases
  • support are far wider range of video/audio codecs - if someone has their collection backed up in mkv/FLAC format etc then it should be able to download the codec and just get on with it :)


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 22:37

  • support are far wider range of video/audio codecs - if someone has their collection backed up in mkv/FLAC format etc then it should be able to download the codec and just get on with it :)


I don't think this will happen. MS wants you to buy your music and movies from the Xbox Marketplace. Supporting these codecs would appear to run counter to that goal.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 22:41

I don't think this will happen. MS wants you to buy your music and movies from the Xbox Marketplace. Supporting these codecs would appear to run counter to that goal.


sadly I think you've hit the nail on the head - i'm just waiting for the day when I can replace my HTPC with something a little less power-hungry!! :D

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 22:55

To be fair, in terms of being a gaming device I doubt the PS3 will be the first thing on anyone's mind. It will undoubtedly be Wii -> 360 -> PS3. That being said, Sony made leaps and bounds in the last few years but even so I think the only reason they've made up sales is because all the people who owned a 360 eventually bought a PS3. Also a majority of sales go to Sony's initial marketing of the PS3 as a media device. Sales numbers aren't really a great representative of how well a console did in a generation. What matters is its image in the market and from what I can tell Microsoft has made a bigger impression (although that has been dwindling more and more as this generation continues to get stretched to its limit).

I guess the best response to this is "Time heals all wounds". At least in sales numbers.

Because of an old saying, and that is "the numbers do not lie," I have to respectfully disagree.

My personal opinion completely aside, I just cannot see how anyone when looking at the raw data can possibly believe that 70+ million PS3's were sold as a result of people first getting an XBox 360 then getting a PS3. As a result, I also cannot see how anyone can believe, again just based on the data itself, that everyone on this planet thinks Wii -> Xbox -> PS3. While those overall numbers are indeed the way America, and a decent amount of Europe, see things, there just had to be a decent amount of people who thought Wii -> PS3 -> Xbox -> just based on the data itself. As I am sure there are people who saw things as XBox -> PS3 -> Wii, or PS3 -> Wii -> Xbox, so on and so forth. I just believe that the numbers, while they do show the Wii was the clear cut winner, show that everyone feels the same about this generation. In fact I believe it is quite the contrary, there was no clear winner when looking at the data.

So I cannot help but feel that your take on things is definitely the way America see's it, I will totally admit that, but what I am saying is America's sales are not the only ones that matter in the grand scheme of things. A great example, do you really think Japanese gamers see things as Wii -> Xbox -> PS3?

I do also feel that believing MS was so dominant at the end of the day is definitely a Western perspective as well. While MS has probably indeed come out of this generation the winner from a popularity perspective, popularity is not the only thing that does pays the bills. Sales do. I also feel if one sits backs and compares the exclusives that actually give each console their uniqueness from the other console, strictly from a gaming perspective, they were pretty much dead even. The 360 had some great exclusives as did the PS3. I enjoyed playing Gears Of War & Halo just as much as I enjoyed playing Uncharted & Infamous. I also realize I was fortunate in the fact I never had to choose one console or the other, I always have enjoyed the best of both worlds.

I just think it is limited view of things to dismiss the PS3 so easily, especially when the numbers tell a different story. And I would say the same exact thing about the XBox 360 to a Japanese gamer who would laugh at the notion that the 360 was the most popular console.

Simply put, I believe that putting things in a global perspective is important when talking about anything. Consoles being no exception. This belief no doubt comes with age. Hell, when I first joined this site, I did not think about things from a global perspective. However I can wholeheartedly say it was actually the interaction with members from all across the globe right here on Neowin that made me realize there is a whole lot of people on this planet. And while it is very easy to believe that the American way is the most popular way across the globe, that is not necessarily the case.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 00:08

Because of an old saying, and that is "the numbers do not lie," I have to respectfully disagree.

My personal opinion completely aside, I just cannot see how anyone when looking at the raw data can possibly believe that 70+ million PS3's were sold as a result of people first getting an XBox 360 then getting a PS3. As a result, I also cannot see how anyone can believe, again just based on the data itself, that everyone on this planet thinks Wii -> Xbox -> PS3. While those overall numbers are indeed the way America, and a decent amount of Europe, see things, there just had to be a decent amount of people who thought Wii -> PS3 -> Xbox -> just based on the data itself. As I am sure there are people who saw things as XBox -> PS3 -> Wii, or PS3 -> Wii -> Xbox, so on and so forth. I just believe that the numbers, while they do show the Wii was the clear cut winner, show that everyone feels the same about this generation. In fact I believe it is quite the contrary, there was no clear winner when looking at the data.

So I cannot help but feel that your take on things is definitely the way America see's it, I will totally admit that, but what I am saying is America's sales are not the only ones that matter in the grand scheme of things. A great example, do you really think Japanese gamers see things as Wii -> Xbox -> PS3?

I do also feel that believing MS was so dominant at the end of the day is definitely a Western perspective as well. While MS has probably indeed come out of this generation the winner from a popularity perspective, popularity is not the only thing that does pays the bills. Sales do. I also feel if one sits backs and compares the exclusives that actually give each console their uniqueness from the other console, strictly from a gaming perspective, they were pretty much dead even. The 360 had some great exclusives as did the PS3. I enjoyed playing Gears Of War & Halo just as much as I enjoyed playing Uncharted & Infamous. I also realize I was fortunate in the fact I never had to choose one console or the other, I always have enjoyed the best of both worlds.

I just think it is limited view of things to dismiss the PS3 so easily, especially when the numbers tell a different story. And I would say the same exact thing about the XBox 360 to a Japanese gamer who would laugh at the notion that the 360 was the most popular console.

Simply put, I believe that putting things in a global perspective is important when talking about anything. Consoles being no exception. This belief no doubt comes with age. Hell, when I first joined this site, I did not think about things from a global perspective. However I can wholeheartedly say it was actually the interaction with members from all across the globe right here on Neowin that made me realize there is a whole lot of people on this planet. And while it is very easy to believe that the American way is the most popular way across the globe, that is not necessarily the case.


Numbers tell us nothing but a number. An average tells us something different than a total, or a trend, etc. Saying "oh they've ended up within a couple million of each other means that Sony didn't do poorly" isn't really an accurate way to interpret that. I won't deny Sony has done well, but they undeniably had the hardest road to travel this generation. Retroactively removing features, obnoxiously high prices, hacking, retarded advertising campaigns, etc. They've consistently been behind in sales numbers vs the 360 (although that difference was closing until just recently when a huge 360 sales spike happened).

I'm also not saying all the consoles were sold after the buyers had 360's. In fact, I bet a very high percentage of them weren't. But that doesn't change the fact that this generation has dragged on long enough (prices have dropped low enough) that its very easy to own both systems. And I could see that part of the consumer base easily filling in that gap between the PS3 and 360. Seeing as I have owned a PS3 and played only a single game on it I'd put myself in that group of people, too. I have a PS3 because I want both the systems, not really because there was any specific need to own a PS3 (outside of it being a Blu-Ray player).

In terms of the thought process I mentioned. The general consumer is more likely to have the Wii pop into their head when they think about video game consoles than the 360 or the PS3. I'm not talking about like/dislike. I mean the very first brand to hit their brain. I'm sure the general consumer thinks of the Wii before any other console which may be exactly why its sold almost 20+ million more units than the rest (aside from being cheaper initially and having better advertising than both the other consoles).

In the end of the day the numbers don't even touch things that Sony came out of this generation with such as feature removal and horrible security practices. Sony was hit hard in more than just sales (not to mention losing a lot of money on their console for the first few years). Just saying "they are both at similar points now, so its obviously even" doesn't even begin to consider the whole picture of this generation. Sure, Microsoft was hit hard by the RROD, but overall it seems MS gained a lot of respect from the way they handled that situation. Sony has done nothing but LOSE in that area.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:39

Considering xbox has outsold PS3 for almost 24 months in a row putting sony label on it would just kill sales.

That was a joke I know the current xbox has more sales, and I know the reason why

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 22:21

1) Allow free online game-play out of the box for everyone


It will turn in to garbage like PSN... I would much rather pay then have ****.