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#16 +Karl L.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 22:29

Regards the downloads - x86 & x64? I've heard of 32bit & 64bit, but 84bit? I haven't heard of this. Mine is 64bit however.


I can definitely understand your confusion at the 32-bit and 64-bit naming conventions. Here's how it works: Intel and AMD processors use Intel's x86 instruction set. As Intel has evolved its instruction set, it has created various revisions which are (almost) all backwards-compatible. For example, i386 is the 32-bit instruction set that debuted with the Intel 8086 processor, i686 is the 32-bit instruction set that debuted with the Intel Pentium Pro processor, and AMD64 (or x86-64) is the 64-bit instruction set that debuted with the AMD Athlon 64 processor. Code compiled for the i386 instruction set can be run on processors that support the i386, i686, or AMD64 instruction set, while code compiled for the i686 instruction set can be run on processors that support the i686 or AMD64 instruction set, but not i386. Since 32-bit Intel processors are by far the most prevalent processors using the x86 architecture, x86 is commonly used to refer to the i686 instruction set architecture. However, since 64-bit programs cannot be run on any 32-bit x86 processor, x86-64 needs to be differentiated. For convenience it is commonly abbreviated x64.

I've also heard of retail & OEM versions. I don't actually know what version of Win7 i have installed in my laptop. I do however know it's "Windows 7 Pro OA for Lenovo Singamore" which it states under the battery.


Since your laptop came from a major system manufacturer, it shipped with an OEM version of Windows. (OEM stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer.)

Also the model is 2481-2TG if it makes much difference.

I would prefer a clean install but xorangekiller makes a good point about the Lenovo Utilities (i wonder if these can be downloaded/installed after a clean install?)


The ThinkVantage System Update utility that I mentioned earlier can download and install any of the Lenovo utilities that you choose, even after a clean install. You can also download the packages and install them independently from the driver downloads page for your machine on Lenovo's website if you choose.

Also, regarding your link xorangekiller, thanks, but i don't actually understand it. I'm very novice at this. It sounds like a good idea - not having to manually activate, but i don't understand how you're doing it, even with your link.


Fortunately if you use the utility I attached to the aforementioned post, you don't really have to completely understand how it works. Simply follow my instructions to download it and run it. If you would like a simpler explanation of how my utility works, let me know and I would be happy to explain it again.

I can understand how some people might be worried about the "don't understand it, just run it" advice. I admit, that sounds a little suspicious. Most of the utility is implemented in Batch scripts, which anyone can open with Notepad and view, and I would be happy to provide the source code for anything else in the package that I wrote. Basically, everything in the utility can be accomplished using utilities included in Windows since this is an official Microsoft procedure; I merely automated it.

So would i be looking for OEM/retail download & are the above links OEM/retail? I assume i'll be requiring the x64 rather than x86.


The ISO that you will be downloading (whether it be the one that ashpowell linked to or another official Windows 7 installation disc) will accept both OEM and Retail product keys. Microsoft used to have separate discs for each key type for Windows XP and earlier, but starting with Windows Vista any installation disc may be used with any product key, provided it is for the right edition of Windows. Similarly, starting with Windows Vista product keys may be used with either the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Windows so long as the edition is the same. For example, you may use your Windows 7 Home Premium product key to activate either Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit or Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.

I definitely recommend installing the 64-bit version of Windows. So long as your processor supports x86-64, I see no good reason for installing 32-bit Windows in 2012. The security enhancements alone make 64-bit Windows superior, not to mention the other advantages.


#17 +goretsky

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:39

Hello,

Congratulations on your new ThinkPad L530 (2481-2TG):

i5-3210M(2.50GHz),4GB RAM,500GB 7200rpm HD,15.6in 1600x900 LCD,Intel HD Graphics,CDRW/DVDRW,802.11bg wireless,Bluetooth,1Gb Ethernet,UltraNav,Secure Chip,Fingerprint reader,Camera,6c Li-Ion,Win7 Pro 64


That looks like a nice machine!

First off, do not uninstall anything. At all.

The first thing you want to do on that computer is to run the Create Recovery Media program, and use it to create the recovery media (either a set of DVD±R discs or a USB flash drive) to restore the hard disk drive to its original configuration if a problem ever occurs with the system (or, if you replace the hard disk drive, decide to sell/donate it, etc.).

If you want, you can then test the recovery media by booting from it and performing a wipe and reload of the hard disk drive. This will probably taken an hour or two and you don't have to do it, however, it might be a good idea to do so before you start using the computer so you can verify that the recovery media works. If it doesn't, you can then contact Lenovo and ask them to either send you a set of Recovery DVDs, which they should be willing to do for free (or, failing that, return the computer, which you should still be able to do since it is brand new).

You can order a set of Recovery DVDs from Lenovo/IBM Service if you don't want to do this. It cost about $55 with shipping, handling and taxes the last few times I did this in the US.

The following programs on the computer are neither from Lenovo, Microsoft, or one of the other device driver manufacturers and could be removed (explanation of color coding, below):
  • Adobe AIR - can be removed unless you plan on running Adobe AIR apps
  • Adobe Flash Player 11 ActiveX - can be removed if you're not going to use Flash in Internet Explorer; otherwise, recommend keeping installed an updated
  • Adobe Flash Player 11 Plugin - can be removed if you're not going to use Flash in other web browsers; otherwise, recommend keeping installed an updated
  • Adobe Reader XI - can be removed if you don't need a PDF reader, otherwise, keep it updated or replace with Foxit PDF Reader, Nitro PDF Reader, Sumatra PDF Reader, etc.
  • Adobe Shockwave Player 11.6 - can be removed if you're not going to use Shockwave; otherwise, recommend keeping installed an updated
  • CCleaner - I am assuming you installed this
  • Corel Burn.Now Lenovo Edition - used to create audio CD's and DVD's; can be removed if you are not going to use or have another program that does this
  • Corel DVD MovieFactory Lenovo Edition - used to create and play DVDs (and maybe Blu-ray discs, depending upon version); can be removed if you are not going to use or have another program that does this
  • Corel WinDVD - used to play DVDs (and maybe Blu-ray discs, depending upon version); can be removed if you are not going to use or have another program that does this
  • Evernote v. 4.2.3 - note-taking app, can be removed if you are not going to use or have another program that does this
  • Google Chrome - web browser, can be removed if you are not going to use
  • Google Toolbar for Internet Explorer - Google search plugin for Internet Explorer, can be removed if you are not going to use this
  • Jasc Paint Shop Pro 8 - image editing/creation software, can be removed if you are not going to use or have another program that does this
  • Java 7 Update 9 - used to run Java programs in web browser or on PC, recommend uninstalling unless you specifically need to run Java apps
  • Mozilla Firefox 17.0.1 (x86 en-us) - I am assuming you installed this
  • Mozilla Maintenance Service - I am assuming you installed this
  • Norton Internet Security - antimalware software, can be removed if you have a different program you are going to use
  • SugarSync Manager - cloud-based file sync/backup software; can be removed if you are not going to use, or have a different program that does this
  • SUPERANtiSpyware - I am assuming you installed this
  • VIP Access - two-factor authentication software, can be removed if you are not going to use, or have a different program that does this
I have, somewhat subjectively, color-coded the software based on my risk assessment of how vulnerable they make your computer to exploitation as follows:

Red - Program is actively targeted and exploited in the wild and vendor can take over 30 days to patch.
Orange - Program is actively targeted and exploited in the wild, but vendor responds promptly (hours to days) to patch; or program may be potentially disclose browsing habits or other personally-identifiable information.
Green - Program does not a constitute a significant security risk.
Gray - Installed by you(?)


The majority of the remaining software are device drivers which are used to manage the computer's hardware and Microsoft patches that were preloaded and I would recommend leaving them in place for the time being. They are likely not consuming a huge amount of disk space, utilizing large amounts of RAM or taking up processor time. I would recommend keeping these in place because they are going to let you make use of all of the computer's hardware, plus those various patches might be required by other software on the computer.

Ultimately, of course, the decision about what to keep and what not to keep is up to you, and based on what you want to use the computer for.

If you do choose to do a clean install of the operating system, you will still be able to use the ThinkVantage System Update to re-load the device drivers and ThinkPad/ThinkVantage specific software. However, third-party licensed software like the Corel and JASC software, plus the Dolby Advanced Audio, will be gone unless you reload the operating system via the recovery media. That might not seem like a big deal now, but maybe one day you'll want to watch a DVD.

Also, here are some documents you may find of use:
Lastly, a couple of additional resources you might find of interest:
Enjoy your new ThinkPad!

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

#18 pes2013

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 12:20

I always prefer a clean install

But the problem is - How do i do a clean install when they didn't provide a Win7 disc (& i'm not interested in Windows 8 before anyone mentions it).

Like many mentioned, you should do a clean install.

Also like most said, you can legally download a ISO with the edition that you have on your laptop and reinstall it using the key that is on a sticker somewhere on your laptop (probably the bottom)

After, for additional functions (although not required and I wouldn't install them) you can download all of Lenovo's website and install them.

#19 OP Technique

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 13:14

Thanks a lot for the replies.
goretsky - thanks for taking the time man. Appreciated.

Need to get that recovery media sorted - should've done that first really. Then i'll have a think about which road i want to go down.

#20 tnt118

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 15:07

I can't say this would apply to you, but I recently had a devil of a time trying to do a clean install of Windows on a new Lenovo IdeaPad. Some of the drivers would not install, some said they were not for my version of the hardware (I did verify I had the correct ones from the website). The worst was one that needed "higher permissions" to run, but only opened up as a blank box with placeholder text. Only after I manually killed the process once would it load up correctly (there was some other trick it needed that I've since forgotten).

Long story short, I found it easier to go back to a factory image and customize from there -- the first time in my life I've done that. I can't say my experience is indicative of all Lenovo laptops, but I'm just sayin'...

Definitely do create the recovery media, as that part is really well done. If your model has One Touch Recovery, do be aware that making any changes to any partitions will likely prevent it from working.

#21 xendrome

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 15:10

OP, was this a new system or used. Just curious....

#22 OP Technique

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 17:09

OP, was this a new system or used. Just curious....

New. Bought it a couple week ago from ebuyer.com

It's not for anything intensive. The wife & i will be getting our own place next year, so rather than tuck away in a spare room for a while, i bought the laptop for web browsing/document writing so we can still be in the same room.

#23 ndoggfromhell

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 17:13

Just got two Lenovo PC's with Windows 7 Pro on them. Used a Genuine Windows install DVD and wiped both machines. Too much junk software, would have taken longer to unload it all versus a clean fresh install.

#24 OP Technique

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 17:16

For those of you saying do a clean install -

would any of you install ANY of the Lenovo software shown in post #1, or would you ONLY install the drivers for the hardware & leave it at that?

#25 OP Technique

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 18:34

I downloaded the .iso linked

Just tried burning it to DVD & got the attached error message. Any idea why?

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 18:53

For those of you saying do a clean install -

would any of you install ANY of the Lenovo software shown in post #1, or would you ONLY install the drivers for the hardware & leave it at that?


None of it, only things I would install would be things like mouse software and buttons software

#27 +LogicalApex

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 19:04

I also always do a fresh install, but like xorangekiller said, you'll want to leave the majority of the Lenovo utilities. They are actually well built and provide a lot of needed functions for the machine.

For instance, the Fingerprint software allows your FP reader to work and support both logging into Windows and powering on the computer from a single swipe at a full power off state. The power utility does stuff such as completely powers off your DVD-RW drive when not in use. There are a lot of useful functions done by these utilities. The only ones I don't have installed are AccessConnections, Auto Scroll Utility, and Lenovo Solution Center.

#28 OP Technique

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 19:55

I can find the drivers for thing like sound & display etc

Couldn't find where to download the programs such as the ones you mention LogicalApex.


Then there's the problem i just mentioned - the .iso wont burn to DVD+R.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 19:58

I can find the drivers for thing like sound & display etc

Couldn't find where to download the programs such as the ones you mention LogicalApex.


Then there's the problem i just mentioned - the .iso wont burn to DVD+R.


Have a look in C:\ for folders called 'setup' - I know HP drivers are all stored there

Also if you have a recovery partition they could be sitting on that

#30 +warwagon

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 20:04

Java - seriously? What about when you open websites & it states "you must have Java installed to view this site"? How do you get around it?


The rule of thumb with java is unless you KNOW you require it, take it off. Java is a MAJOR infection vector. Judging from that photo you even have an out of date version of it, which is the WORST case scenario. The newest version is 7 version 10. So if you know you don't need java I would HIGHLY recommend you remove it.