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Most violent crime in the US happens in impoverished inner city ghettos, that are more prominent in the US because of a lot of reasons, but one is the countries are just demographically different. If you're in a gang area in the US or in the UK you'll be equally likely to be a target, whether by gun or knife. If you're in a suburb in the US you're not very likely to be murdered either.

Murder rates:

London - 1.4

London region - 2.2

Manchester - 1.9

Liverpool - 2.3

Los Angeles - 7.6

New York - 6.4

Houston - 7.5

New Orleans - 11.2

So please stop spreading misinformation. The US is a more violent country where you're dramatically more likely to be murdered. Fact.

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Could you provide a source for your 3 times claim please? I'm not saying you're wrong, just curious to see the figures.

Population divided by total crimes. numbers readily available all of the place. take your pick. UK has significantly less total crime but also significantly smaller population. when you have more rights than your victim, laws tend to become meaningless for a criminal.

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I remember when they weren't terrible.. or maybe I just didn't know what terrible was at the time. :rofl: Brings back memories though.

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Murder rates:

London - 1.4

London region - 2.2

Manchester - 1.9

Liverpool - 2.3

Los Angeles - 7.6

New York - 6.4

Houston - 7.5

New Orleans - 11.2

So please stop spreading misinformation. The US is a more violent country where you're dramatically more likely to be murdered. Fact.

You forgot Detroit - 48.2

Los Angeles Demographics:

White: 49.8%

Black: 9.6%

Hispanic: 48.5%

New York Demographics:

White: 44.6%

Black: 25.1%

Hispanic: 27.8%

New Orleans Demographics:

White: 28.1%

Black: 67.3%

Hispanic: 5.3%

Detroit Demographics:

White: 10.6%

Black: 82.5%

Hispanic: 6.8%

London Demographics:

White: 59.8%

Asian: 18.4%

Black: 13.3%

Liverpool Demographics:

White: 91.0%

Asian: 3%

Black: 1.9%

Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London's population of 7,556,900 were black.[23] Evidence shows that the black population in London boroughs increases with the level of deprivation, and that the level of crime also increases with deprivation, such that "It is clear that ethnicity, deprivation, victimisation and offending are closely and intricately inter-related".[24]

In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent and sexual crimes (including those subsequently acquitted) in 2009?10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; for gun crimes, 67 percent; and for sexual offences, 32 percent.[25]

Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime.[25] Similar statistics were recorded for females. On knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and for robberies, 52 percent.[26]

Operation Trident was set up in March 1998 by the Metropolitan Police to investigate gun crime in London's black community after black-on-black shootings in Lambeth and Brent.[27]

Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras.[28]

In London in 2006, 75% of the victims of gun crime and 79% of the suspects were "from the African/Caribbean community."[29]

http://en.wikipedia....crime_in_London

White: 44.6%

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@brianshapiro - The issue isn't race, as otherwise you'd expect London's higher black population (more than six times the size) to result in higher murder rates than Liverpool; the figures show the opposite. The real issue is that ethnic minorities don't have the same opportunities available to them, which leads to much higher levels of poverty; as levels of deprivation increase so does the crime rate. That's especially true in the US, which has the worst record of race relations in the western world.

Getting back on topic, do you not accept that the incredibly liberal gun laws of the US play a major role in the high murder rate of the country? Because there seems to be a pretty clear correlation between high rates of gun ownership and high rates of firearms fatalities.

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