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#16 +BudMan

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 15:18

So your pc came with 4x500GB drives and then you setup up for raid 10 and got 500GB of usable space -- and you don't think that was a waste? When you could of had multiple different setups for better use. Shoot you could of done 500GB for your OS drive, and then put the other 3 in raid 5 and still had parity and gotten 1TB of space on your array with 500GB to use for your OS and installed programs, copy of files you didn't want to have to restore from backup in case you lost a drive in array, etc..

As to encryption - encryption of what? Who has physical access to the storage? Does the device with private information on it leave the home? Are you worried about theft of the device from someone breaking into your home? Do you plan on encrypting your backups that are also in your home - kind of pointless to encrypt your stuff and then have clear copy on external drive or optical media on the shelf, etc.

If someone stole your PC, does it matter that got copies of your home videos?

Comes down to what your trying to mitigate risk of?? Encryption is really only warranted when you don't have physical control of the device. Ie I wouldn't walk around with your thumbdrive with all your passwords in clear text for example - that could get lost or you could get mugged very easy. Now if they are sitting on your PC that does not leave your home, and your not worried about your house mates looking at them, etc. Then encryption might not be warranted??

Encryption is a great way to lower the risk of loss of your information in your files - it is also a great way to lock you out of your own data if you don't pay attention and understand what that AES 256 encryption your picking actually means.. Sorry there is not a back door, sorry but no your not going to be able to just run a crack on it and get your files in a few days. Your out of luck if you don't backup your keys and you use EFS, and then reinstall your OS overwriting your keys, etc..

Now me personally the only thing I have that really warrants encryption is my passwords. If someone broke into my home and stole my PC - this is the only thing I would be worried about them accessing. The passwords to my online accounts. So this is the only thing that I have encrypted using lastpass and keepass as my storage of such things. Now I don't have my browser storing passwords, etc.


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 15:22

Thanks for the advise budman - I use robo form for my online passwords and they have a password on them, so the only fear I have is people breaking in to the house, I guess it is unwarrented, although I do have the laptop encrypted as that has business info on, I bought the program you advised, looking forward to using it, looks extremely helpful :)

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:12

Server 2012 is a little out my price range atm, not to mention I would have to get AV for it as well......will need to think on this


If you qualify for Website Spark (depressingly easy to do), you can get Server 2012 Standard for $0USD (except download time).

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 10:56

If you qualify for Website Spark (depressingly easy to do), you can get Server 2012 Standard for $0USD (except download time).


Thanks!! Did as you suggested and as you say they let anyone in :) downloading en_windows_server_2012_x64_dvd_915478.iso now and at 7meg/sec download not a lot of time to wait :)

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:23

no you don't, both Windows 8 and Server 2012 have an anti-virus built in


Thought this was important to point out, since it looks as though OP is downloading Server 2012: Server 2012 does not include Windows Defender (anti-virus). Windows 8 does, but server does not.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:59

I'm using WHS 2011 for over a year now, and it's very good. After initial setup it was one of the few "set it and forget it" installations that actually worked.

I'm checking once in while to see if all is good, and indeed all is good.

- I restored a PC that had a bad hard drive, and it went great. Also, I restored a single file from the backup, and it worked great.
- I'm streaming music to my windows phone, which is nice
- I can stream Blu-Ray rips without any problems
- XBOX streams MP4 video files
- I can remote access it from the web, and upload files - which is handy.

The only thing to uncheck is the MP3 tags feature, that "fix" your MP3 tags...

It's also super cheap... 49$....

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:11

Last time I tried the backup function of Windows Home server 2011 - on a Gbit network I was getting 4meg a second, when I did it manually using another program I was getting 70meg/sec to and from it, also I got Windows Server 2012 Standard for $0 - you cant get cheaper than that :p

I will try it out and see what happens, I have it Imaged so shouldn't be too much of an issue

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:53

If you qualify for Website Spark (depressingly easy to do), you can get Server 2012 Standard for $0USD (except download time).

Yeah that great -- but clearly doing what he wants with it is in violation of the EULA

"You may not use this software to: • Develop or maintain Your own administrative or IT system"

Might as well have told him to warez it -- that is a FREE option as well.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 15:21

guess its lucky I haven't burnt it to disc yet then.....

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 15:42

I hate so suggest something else but I use Unraid for my server. It is free to have two storage drives and one backup drive. The beauty of Unraid is that it runs off a USB stick and you can backup several drives with only one backup drive. For example you could have 5 3TB drives full of videos and back them up with only one 3TB drive. The thing to keep in mind is that this only is effective if any one drive goes out. If two go out at the same time then you have a problem. There are people using it for twenty drives. It streams video very well for me.
Here is a link to it
http://lime-technology.com/technology

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 23:57

Thought this was important to point out, since it looks as though OP is downloading Server 2012: Server 2012 does not include Windows Defender (anti-virus). Windows 8 does, but server does not.


I use Comodo Internet Security on the Server 2012 side of my dual-boot; a free alternative for client-server usage is Comodo Endpoint Security.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:52

Yeah that great -- but clearly doing what he wants with it is in violation of the EULA

"You may not use this software to: • Develop or maintain Your own administrative or IT system"

Might as well have told him to warez it -- that is a FREE option as well.


According to Microsoft themselves, they are referring to commercial for-profit use.

Windows Server 2012 is, in fact, the *designated successor* to Windows Home Server (which went away with WHS 2011) - basically, my suggestion falls in line with Microsoft's own lineup.

Further, I have stated - in three different threads - advantages Windows Server 2012 has over WHS 2011 for a home server.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 13:12

"they are referring to commercial for-profit use."

Where does it say that?? The site itself is for startups -- not for billy bob to run 2012 in his home for free.

Please point out where MS says its ok to run this software for your own personal use "anything you want to do with it" on that site.

As to features above 2011 whs - no ****, nobody said any different. Its next gen full blown server os, over stripped down WHS version -- duh!!

Nor am I going to dispute that essentials or foundation would be the versions for home or soho. But your still looking at cost WAY above normal budget of home to be honest. Sorry not going to spend $400 dollars on an OS, just not! Linux would be the way to go here - I don't see why MS does not see this? And price their home targeted OS more appropriate.

Plus he already owns 2011, so no need to fork over anything in cash -- other than maybe $20 for drive pool feature that was removed.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 13:38

Unfortunately, Server 2012 does not have AV built-in like it's Windows 8 counterpart.

You can get around this however by downloading the System Center 2012 eval from here:
http://technet.micro...id=TEC_103_1_33

Once downloaded, extract the setup EXE using 7zip or similar then run:
SMSSETUP\CLIENT\SCEPInstall.exe

That will install System Center 2012 Endpoint Protection which is effectively the enterprise version of Windows Defender/Security Essentials. This will keep you protected and is the full version on an activated copy of Server 2012.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 13:42

Unfortunately, Server 2012 does not have AV built-in like it's Windows 8 counterpart.

You can get around this however by downloading the System Center 2012 eval from here:
http://technet.micro...id=TEC_103_1_33

Once downloaded, extract the setup EXE using 7zip or similar then run:
SMSSETUP\CLIENT\SCEPInstall.exe

That will install System Center 2012 Endpoint Protection which is effectively the enterprise version of Windows Defender/Security Essentials. This will keep you protected and is the full version on an activated copy of Server 2012.


Evals, Trials and Technet/Spark style software is not what this person needs... Seriously you guys, Windows 7 will already do whatever we wants and you are telling him to use software that costs 100's of dollars for a setup he doesn't need to pay extra to do.