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This probably shouldn't come as a surprise to us as we are a nation founded on genocide and built on the backs of slaves. We slaughtered 600,000 of each other in a civil war. We "tamed the Wild West with a six-shooter," and we rape and beat and kill our women without mercy and at a staggering rate: every three hours a women is murdered in the USA (half the time by an ex or a current); every three minutes a woman is raped in the USA; and every 15 seconds a woman is beaten in the USA.

We belong to an illustrious group of nations that still have the death penalty (North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China, Iran). We think nothing of letting tens of thousands of our own citizens die each year because they are uninsured and thus don't see a doctor until it's too late.

Why do we do this? One theory is simply "because we can." There is a level of arrogance in the otherwise friendly American spirit, conning ourselves into believing there's something exceptional about us that separates us from all those "other" countries (there are indeed many good things about us; the same could also be said of Belgium, New Zealand, France, Germany, etc.). We think we're #1 in everything when the truth is our students are 17th in science and 25th in math, and we're 35th in life expectancy. We believe we have the greatest democracy but we have the lowest voting turnout of any western democracy. We're biggest and the bestest at everything and we demand and take what we want.

And sometimes we have to be violent m*****f*****s to get it. But if one of us goes off-message and shows the utterly psychotic nature and brutal results of violence in a Newtown or an Aurora or a Virginia Tech, then we get all "sad" and "our hearts go out to the families" and presidents promise to take "meaningful action." Well, maybe this president means it this time. He'd better. An angry mob of millions is not going to let this drop.

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I encourage you to read the entire article (it's not too long) before concluding anything.

I don't agree with much of anything Moore generally says, but I think this article is spot on.

Americans need to start being more collectively responsible. A failed America will drag a large part of the world down with it.

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Who is this group which claims that America is the best in a bunch of these things? Pretty much everyone I know would love to disagree with that.

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The three points aren't discussed. The post above talks about centrism and the link about gun control. Moore starts to pick up on the some cultural flaws but goes no where with it. Then then the gun debate totally ignores the fact the the guns were illegally obtained. Moore is an idiot.

The three points aren't discussed. The post above talks about centrism and the link about gun control. Moore starts to pick up on the some cultural flaws but goes no where with it. Then then the gun debate totally ignores the fact the the guns were illegally obtained. Moore is an idiot.

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A load of bullspit..

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America is hardly the only nation to be based on the back of slaves, genocide and violence.

Would say the same is true formost nations around the world.

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Michael Moore is not an idiot and he knows what he's talking about. The US is sort of a weird country.

The nice thing about how things are in Belgium is that you don't have to be afraid. I can walk around anywhere in the country and feel safe because nobody has guns. I can go to school and have a place to live while studying almost without having to pay anything. Sure, we pay more taxes, but we reap the benefits ourselves.

In a few years when I've finished my whole education, including a Bachelor at a reputable University College I won't have a single cent of debt. In fact I'll even have some money saved up for myself, and that is coming from a relatively low-income single-parent family.

If I ever get sick I know our health care costs are almost completely covered by the government too.

I have no need to fear anything and no need to worry about anything, and that is really, really great.

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Americans need to start being more collectively responsible.

I haven't read the article yet, but I think this is a large part of the problem with American culture. In this country, everyone clamors about their rights, but very rarely do people think about their responsibilities and obligations. Rights are the most important thing, but being responsible comes in at a far second. I have the right to own semi-automatic weapons so I can shoot people who threaten me, but where's your responsibility? Most people think that having more rights reduces their responsibility, but in actuality, it increases it.

But how can you engender a sense of responsibility in a people who are told they have all these rights, and if someone dare even touch on one of them, you need to shout at the top of your lungs and glue your posters to walls and poles and let everyone know you won't take it! Responsibility? Oh no, if something goes wrong, my rights trump everything. The responsibility lays on someone else. Sadly, this is the culture and mentality that is perpetrated in American society. I'm certainly not against having rights, but you have to be willing to accept the responsibilities and obligations that accompany them. Americans rarely think about such things.

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totally ignores the fact the the guns were illegally obtained.

From the legal owner...

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Moore is an idiot.

That is the entire thread in a nutshell.

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From the legal owner...

Who failed by not properly securing the weapons in the house

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Michael Moore is not an idiot and he knows what he's talking about. The US is sort of a weird country.

The nice thing about how things are in Belgium is that you don't have to be afraid. I can walk around anywhere in the country and feel safe because nobody has guns. I can go to school and have a place to live while studying almost without having to pay anything. Sure, we pay more taxes, but we reap the benefits ourselves.

In a few years when I've finished my whole education, including a Bachelor at a reputable University College I won't have a single cent of debt. In fact I'll even have some money saved up for myself, and that is coming from a relatively low-income single-parent family.

If I ever get sick I know our health care costs are almost completely covered by the government too.

I have no need to fear anything and no need to worry about anything, and that is really, really great.

Your comment shows that your actual knowledge of the US is zilch. Your knowledge comes only from what you hear and read. So of course this is what you will spout about us.

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That is the entire thread in a nutshell.

Pretty much. :yes:

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Your knowledge comes only from what you hear and read.

I think most knowledge is indeed acquired from what you hear and what you read.. isn't that part of learning? :p

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Your comment shows that your actual knowledge of the US is zilch. Your knowledge comes only from what you hear and read. So of course this is what you will spout about us.

OK then. I'll point out some differences.

Every single university in Belgium (and that includes quite some world-class ones like the Catholic University of Leuven and Ghent University) doesn't have any entry requirements. You just need to have finished your secondary education (which is free), but it doesn't matter at all what you did there or how well you did it. There are only a few specific courses that have an entrance exam. Meet the entry requirements? Great, you just enroll. There's no mess with selection procedures, you just study what and where you want.

And then there's the thing about cost. The highest tuition for one year of University in Belgium? Around ?600 (which is around $800). Does your family have a low income (relative to the amount of dependent children)? Great, the tuition drops to ?90, you get a significant discount on University housing (if required) and you can get extra grants very easily to help you afford your courses, a laptop, ... A train ride from wherever you live in the country to your University costs you ?1 a ride, at most (much less if you travel daily). Public transport in the city where I go to university is completely free for me too. And we get a bike (for free!) from the University too.

Of course I only hear stuff about the US from the media (but I doubt you ever lived in Belgium either), but the things I hear about are students with huge debts when the finish university. Students that can't get into universities because they get turned away. Students that simply aren't able to afford any sort of proper education because their parents lost their jobs. Those things just don't happen over here.

My complaints aren't really just about the US, education is really expensive in most countries. The UK has a similar problem (though, I think, less extreme and they at least have public health care).

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I think most knowledge is indeed acquired from what you hear and what you read.. isn't that part of learning? :p

Yes, but what most people read and hear is dependent upon hearsay. I have read many articles online that spout that the crime rate in the UK far surpasses the crime rate in the US. Well, that might be true, but I don't post it here like it's the truth and then get into tons of arguments based upon an article.

OK then. I'll point out some differences.

Every single university in Belgium (and that includes quite some world-class ones like the Catholic University of Leuven and Ghent University) doesn't have any entry requirements. You just need to have finished your secondary education (which is free), but it doesn't matter at all what you did there or how well you did it. There are only a few specific courses that have an entrance exam. Meet the entry requirements? Great, you just enroll. There's no mess with selection procedures, you just study what and where you want.

And then there's the thing about cost. The highest tuition for one year of University in Belgium? Around ?600 (which is around $800). Does your family have a low income (relative to the amount of dependent children)? Great, the tuition drops to ?90, you get a significant discount on University housing (if required) and you can get extra grants very easily to help you afford your courses, a laptop, ... A train ride from wherever you live in the country to your University costs you ?1 a ride, at most (much less if you travel daily). Public transport in the city where I go to university is completely free for me too. And we get a bike (for free!) from the University too.

Of course I only hear stuff about the US from the media (but I doubt you ever lived in Belgium either), but the things I hear about are students with huge debts when the finish university. Students that can't get into universities because they get turned away. Students that simply aren't able to afford any sort of proper education because their parents lost their jobs. Those things just don't happen over here.

My complaints aren't really just about the US, education is really expensive in most countries. The UK has a similar problem (though, I think, less extreme and they at least have public health care).

Well, now that I agree with. Education isn't free. But I think it should be. The government should pay the costs.

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OK then. I'll point out some differences.

Every single university in Belgium (and that includes quite some world-class ones like the Catholic University of Leuven and Ghent University) doesn't have any entry requirements. You just need to have finished your secondary education (which is free), but it doesn't matter at all what you did there or how well you did it. There are only a few specific courses that have an entrance exam. Meet the entry requirements? Great, you just enroll. There's no mess with selection procedures, you just study what and where you want.

And then there's the thing about cost. The highest tuition for one year of University in Belgium? Around ?600 (which is around $800). Does your family have a low income (relative to the amount of dependent children)? Great, the tuition drops to ?90, you get a significant discount on University housing (if required) and you can get extra grants very easily to help you afford your courses, a laptop, ... A train ride from wherever you live in the country to your University costs you ?1 a ride, at most (much less if you travel daily). Public transport in the city where I go to university is completely free for me too. And we get a bike (for free!) from the University too.

Of course I only hear stuff about the US from the media (but I doubt you ever lived in Belgium either), but the things I hear about are students with huge debts when the finish university. Students that can't get into universities because they get turned away. Students that simply aren't able to afford any sort of proper education because their parents lost their jobs. Those things just don't happen over here.

My complaints aren't really just about the US, education is really expensive in most countries. The UK has a similar problem (though, I think, less extreme and they at least have public health care).

The large debts in American Colleges is from a mix of factors including bad government policy, bad financial aid programs, powerful university culture, and straight up lies to parents and students about college. Most colleges are liberal/progressive leaning which is why there are strongly linked to government.

Why is all of that bad? Because the financial aid programs enable colleges to increase tuitions without students considering the debt they are incur. This allows for government to say they need to increase funding, and a cycle begins where students and parents are left completely out of the cost discussion and just look for grants and loans. That is not to say all financial aid programs are bad, but that is what bad policy is allowing to happen.

In my state, we have a scholarship program funded by the state lottery. Students who maintain a B average in high school can get this scholarship which will pay tuition at most schools in-state. So for me, I only had $20,000 in debt after college and that was primarily loans I used for living expenses since I did not work while I was in college. All of my education costs were actually paid through the grant and scholarships I had.

Our universities are broken. I loved college, and still think its important to go, but I have realized over the last 2 years how much we were lied to about it. I think the way to fix it is for government to get stricter with the colleges about tuition and cut off incentives for them to keep increasing it.

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Who failed by not properly securing the weapons in the house

Is there even a law in the state requiring you to properly secure your guns in the house ? If not then the whole thing was perfectly legal up to the point where the kid decided to bring the gun to the school and kill kids.

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From the legal owner...

Who failed by not properly securing the weapons in the house

Owner of weapons does not properly secure weapons in his own house, so that makes it OK for someone to break in and steal said weapons and anything done with those weapons is not the fault of the person who broken in and stole them, but is now the fault of the owner of the weapons... :/

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Is there even a law in the state requiring you to properly secure your guns in the house ? If not then the whole thing was perfectly legal up to the point where the kid decided to bring the gun to the school and kill kids.

Yeah i don't get people's though process either....

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He didn't mention anything about how Zionists have made most Americans apathetic and docile.

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Michael Moore is not an idiot and he knows what he's talking about. The US is sort of a weird country.

The nice thing about how things are in Belgium is that you don't have to be afraid. I can walk around anywhere in the country and feel safe because nobody has guns. I can go to school and have a place to live while studying almost without having to pay anything. Sure, we pay more taxes, but we reap the benefits ourselves.

In a few years when I've finished my whole education, including a Bachelor at a reputable University College I won't have a single cent of debt. In fact I'll even have some money saved up for myself, and that is coming from a relatively low-income single-parent family.

If I ever get sick I know our health care costs are almost completely covered by the government too.

I have no need to fear anything and no need to worry about anything, and that is really, really great.

This beautiful country was founded by people fleeing persecution from the "enlightened" societies in Europe.Our forefathers added the right to bear arms specially to prevent our government from oppressing the people.

The worst genocides in history have ocurred in the gun-less societies of Europe. Yes we sometimes pay the price when irresponsible people fail to secure their legally owned weapons and / or criminals use weapons illegally.

The number of people killed here by guns is insignificant compared to the number of victims in Europe of repressive regimes.

Michael Moore and Piers Morgan make a living by twisting the facts and creating their own narrative. Good for them. Dont be fooled by their sophistry.

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Owner of weapons does not properly secure weapons in his own house, so that makes it OK for someone to break in and steal said weapons and anything done with those weapons is not the fault of the person who broken in and stole them, but is now the fault of the owner of the weapons... :/

Gee when did I say that ? These weapons were not obtained from the blackmarket they were obtained from his mom

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The worst genocides in history have ocurred in the gun-less societies of Europe.

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Gee when did I say that ? These weapons were not obtained from the blackmarket they were obtained from his mom

I do think his mother was negligent in her duties as a gun owner. The weapons are suppssed to be secured at all times. Period. But the person who stole the weapons and yes these were stolen, are solely responsible for the actions commited after the theft of said weapons.

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The three points aren't discussed. The post above talks about centrism and the link about gun control. Moore starts to pick up on the some cultural flaws but goes no where with it. Then then the gun debate totally ignores the fact the the guns were illegally obtained. Moore is an idiot.

Apart from the fact that your post makes NO sense whatever, what "above" post are you talking about?

I realise you are a seriously insecure and repressed person, but why drag your sordid life into this forum?

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