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This you would have to show me for me to believe. it is way more money than that. Speaking public schools only. There is much in the background that must be considered. Paper, supplies, desks, books, teachers pay (which is too low), the school building and maintenance inside and outside. I do consider art, sports, music to be part of the school learning experience.

This is not true. There are many ways to learn. Not everyone learns the same. Some can learn by reading, others need to be shown.

To run a school system, yes it costs more, but that is not my point. Sometimes you have to step back and forget what you think you know. So forget about the existing school systems for a moment and think about learning. Yes, some people learn by doing and not as well by reading. I need both most of the time, especially on some subjects. However, kids are always learning. They learn advanced hand and eye coordination in gaming, puzzle solving, and can use complex objects such as computers all on their own. That is without spending thousands of dollars trying to teach them.

So my point is that throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it. We can spend less and achieve better results if we looked into reforming how school works and get better teachers. It's an extreme point that is factual because we educated generations before with less money than we do today. I'm not advocating actually cutting it that much, just stating that our "world view" needs to change.

Except, the Forefathers had no intention of granting people an individual right to bear arms, but I guess twisting facts on both sides is a fun thing to do?

I'm sorry that is completely wrong. Our forefathers did not grant rights to anyone. They believed in natural rights and only listed the ones most important for everyone to know. Their believe was that government cannot grant you rights. You are born with it.

Do the math and you will see what even 10% of Military funding would be. So 5-8% would indeed be enough.

I don't know about lowering it that much. Because then our Troops wouldn't get what they actually need. 5-8% would be great though.

You still think money is the problem when it is not. A friend of mine talks about their kids in school all the time and how miserable they are. It's not because the school lacks funding, but because the teachers are not doing a good job and giving them more pointless projects to do instead of teaching them the material.

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Except, the Forefathers had no intention of granting people an individual right to bear arms, but I guess twisting facts on both sides is a fun thing to do?

Every single interpretation by the Supreme Court has proved you wrong.

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Every single interpretation by the Supreme Court has proved you wrong.

Would this be the same Supreme Court that didn't move the ten commandments monument off government property ?

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Pretty much agree 100% with the OP and article, the U.S. is a ######, violent nation.

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Every single interpretation by the Supreme Court has proved you wrong.

SCOTUS isn't perfect. As I said in the post I linked to, the Second Amendment is grossly misinterpreted by SCOTUS. It wouldn't be the first bad precedent set by SCOTUS...

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Wow, I feel exactly the same way on all points.... And I live in America. Life is really, really great here, and anyone that says otherwise is full of it.

I don't really get where you are coming from? I've lived in 4 states, most of my life in the southern United States. (Where all the guns are.) I have never, ever felt unsafe where I live. Your post is pointless.

You must be male, white, straight, have a 2.4 family and go to church on Sundays then

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I live in Brazil, one of the most mixed racial countries n the globe. Belive me... The results are a shameful mess.

The issue isn't race, it's social cohesion.

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The issue isn't race, it's social cohesion.

Social cohesion seems fine to describe the unbalance of births over the capacity of raising children with good education and time.

Unfortunately, those that are contributing to this aberration are the ones coincidently in those cited 'races'. But it is just a coincidence, isn't it? Like it is just a coincidence that the european descendants in Brazil are the most successful ones for more than 100 years.

That's all coincidence, then. The problem is social cohesion, isn't it? It's a pitty we can't really find any countries with those 'races' that are actually the proof that it is only a 'social cohesion' problem. They don't exist, but they're truly affecting yours and other developed nations. Good look with your thesis.

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You must be male, white, straight, have a 2.4 family and go to church on Sundays then

Yes, I am a white straight male. I am not religious, nor have a family of my own. I am a single, hard working person, who has worked for everything I have coming from nothing with no college education. What is your point?

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Yes, I am a white straight male. I am not religious, nor have a family of my own. I am a single, hard working person, who has worked for everything I have coming from nothing with no college education. What is your point?

sounds like you are angry...

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To run a school system, yes it costs more, but that is not my point. Sometimes you have to step back and forget what you think you know. So forget about the existing school systems for a moment and think about learning. Yes, some people learn by doing and not as well by reading. I need both most of the time, especially on some subjects. However, kids are always learning. They learn advanced hand and eye coordination in gaming, puzzle solving, and can use complex objects such as computers all on their own. That is without spending thousands of dollars trying to teach them.

Ok I understand what you are saying. The school systems do need a complete overhall. And just buying computers and gimmicks are not gonna help in most cases. I DO think public schools show start earlier..like 3-4 (preschool) and be year around like a job. Where kids can take "vacation" days and catch up or do the work while on vacation. My kids I make them do home work even on the weekends and holidays before they can play. It has helped them advance faster, but I am careful not to burn them out. When it stops being fun we stop for the day.

So my point is that throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it. We can spend less and achieve better results if we looked into reforming how school works and get better teachers. It's an extreme point that is factual because we educated generations before with less money than we do today. I'm not advocating actually cutting it that much, just stating that our "world view" needs to change.

Im in agreement with you on this too

You still think money is the problem when it is not. A friend of mine talks about their kids in school all the time and how miserable they are. It's not because the school lacks funding, but because the teachers are not doing a good job and giving them more pointless projects to do instead of teaching them the material.

I agree with you on this.

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sounds like you are angry...

No, not at all. I am just failing to see what kind of point is trying to be made here.

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No, not at all. I am just failing to see what kind of point is trying to be made here.

They are trying to bait you, AKA trolling

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They are trying to bait you, AKA trolling

Self validation (I am a single, hard working person, who has worked for everything I have coming from nothing with no college education.) is typically just a sign of anger towards a parent or authority figure with this intention to prove views (or overcome negative views) one thinks about his/herself. No trolling intended.

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Self validation (I am a single, hard working person, who has worked for everything I have coming from nothing with no college education.) is typically just a sign of anger towards a parent or authority figure with this intention to prove views (or overcome negative views) one thinks about his/herself. No trolling intended.

Are you a therapist or something? What you said nonsense. There is no anger at all in that comment and has nothing to do with anger towards a parent. That is very Freudian of you and you probably think that is has to do with his unresolved issues with wanting sex with his mom.

His comment is very simple, there are a lot of people who start out poor and become successful. He is one of them and he only made the comment in defense of himself because some people on here are accusing him of having white privilege for him to believe what he does. What he is stating is that he did not have any privilege and had to work for it just like everyone else. I am one of them too, only my privilege extends from my family making sacrifices for me, not because of my skin color.

You know, all of you people need to grow up about race. Most things are not racist, they are usually prejudices and stereotypes, which are not always bad things. The key difference is racism is how you treat a person based on their skin color. Most people are so quick to look at skin color that are not realizing how much they are acting like an a-hole which is likely the real source of why they are being treated differently. I'm not saying racism does not happen, it does, but this is not White America, never has been, never will be.

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I like to think of the left-right axis as a dial. Both extremes are counter-productive: value the common good too much over individual freedom, and the common good suffers for it (i.e. communism); value individual freedom too much over the common good, and individual freedom is made more difficult (i.e. USA). What most developed countries have understood is that there's a difficult balance to be found between the exercice of our individual rights and the need to support each other as a society. America sometimes seems to think that individual freedoms alone will bring them peace and prosperity. This is obviously not working out well.

As Moore points out, the lack of social safety nets in America leads to greater poverty and uneducation. These in turn lead to more crime and violence. Americans feel the need to defend against each other (and their own government, it seems), but that's just the logical consequence of their relative lack of social structure. There's civil law, and then there's the law of the fittest.

Perhaps these ideals have worked well 50 years ago; perhaps America's victory in the Cold War further strengthens its anti-socialist position. The world has changed quickly since then, however...

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