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Sandy Hook News Chopper Helicopter - Crystal Clear - HD and Zooms

Seems very boring..people walking in and out the building like a shopping mall.

You realize that white building isnt the school right? That building is the Sandy Hook volunteer Fire and Rescue building which is up the road from the school.

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Sandy Hook News Chopper Helicopter - Crystal Clear - HD and Zooms

Seems very boring..people walking in and out the building like a shopping mall.

Should also be pointed out that this guy is wrong about his so called "shadow direction analysis", the fire station, where this video is being shot at, is North slightly North East of the school between the 12 and 1 o'clock position. Here is a link to google earth position of that location, http://alturl.com/58h4b ...Now look at the shadows, the actual shadow direction analysis indicates that it's closer to 2pm maybe later as the shadows go NE, if it was

0:25am they would be going NW.

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here's proof that CNN faked raw footage of scud missile attacks during gulf war I. see the blue screens where they would send these films to affiliates and they could project tel aviv skyline in the back ground. then anderson cooper who tried to fake us into thinking he was at sandy hook reporting.

just some food for thought. False flag operations have gone on for years. Mcnamara states it did not happen http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/gulf-of-tonkin-mcnamara-admits-it-didnt-happen/

http://youtu.be/tM5ZdO-IgEE

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Wow chris I was gona post this..Even if its Alex Jones.. He had some good info here.

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why exactly did you post this video? it doesnt exacly make or break the conspiracy theory. I saw the green light on the reporters face.. but ok.. so what..

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When all of your points have been shown to be false theres only one thing left.

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here's proof that CNN faked raw footage of scud missile attacks during gulf war I. see the blue screens where they would send these films to affiliates and they could project tel aviv skyline in the back ground. then anderson cooper who tried to fake us into thinking he was at sandy hook reporting.

just some food for thought. False flag operations have gone on for years. Mcnamara states it did not happen http://socioecohisto...t-didnt-happen/

funny how no one has commented your vid...hmm..

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funny how no one has commented your vid...hmm..

must be a conspiracy

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Stop being bullheaded and watch it instead of judge everything

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Stop being bullheaded and watch it instead of judge everything

funny how no one has commented your vid...hmm..

Since no one has really taken the time to debunk this here you go:

First off I want to note - the main contributor of information in this video and around this conspiracy is Alex Jones (Notice the Info Wars clips everywhere including the opening frames). He is, in my opinion, a paranoid nutjob, as was pretty evident by his

- seriously skip to 3 minutes in and tell me this guy is a credible person. (My intent here is not ad hominem, just wanted to give some context as to the presenters of these "facts" and their origins) Now that that's out of the way let's look at the content of the video...

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.

He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.

The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles discussing these discrepancies. What is known for sure is he carried at least 2 handguns into the school and had a shotgun in his car. The discrepancies come in when talking about the other weapons, some sources claim it was a Bushmaster AR-15, others claim it was 2 additional pistols and the AR was left in the trunk with the shotgun. The video just merges all of these conflicting reports to say how the story doesn't make sense. This isn't evidence of a conspiracy, just terrible reporting and fact checking.

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence:

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they think of their loved one, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways and we have no idea what's going through this mans mind. Maybe he was thinking of his daughters smile as she woke up every day, and it made him smile, then he was told he's about to go live, so he snapped back to reality. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emillie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? https://www.youtube....h?v=DTaC580hfPo It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect.

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances (here are a few):

http://imgur.com/hb6kZ,XGWSd,erEJG

http://www.politico....lled-85094.html

Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on looks to be taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking anymore. A fellow redditor describes here that based on the position of the sun in the sky, this video was shot well in the afternoon, 6-7 hours after the shooting took place. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well damn, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.

Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH

Theory 8: There was a planned FEMA meeting scheduled 20 minutes from the time of the shooting which helped slow down the response time of first responders.(Added due to popular demand). I went to the emergency services website for CT to investigate this. This class is offered regularly. It was offered on 11/17, 11/27, 12/3, 12/6, 12/14, and 12/17

In fact, digging a little deeper you can see they have had training classes like these for a long time, such as this one way back on 4/2/2012 called Emergency Planning for Schools (2 day course):

http://www.ct.gov/de...BCCCDCE83CDCACA

These tragedies have been happening for awhile, and so has training people to respond to them. Debunked.

Theory 9: "Sandy Hook Conspiracy Actress"... this picture has been making the rounds: http://imgur.com/r/conspiracy/5sdWN it's grainy and taken from a single angle (probably because the intent is to deceive) ... some quick digging and higher quality pictures shows these are clearly 2 different people: http://i.imgur.com/f4AC8.jpg

Other stuff: The people that made this video clearly have their own agenda, which is why they keep bringing up 9/11 and the London bombings (two completely unrelated events). Any time a large, tragic event occurs, many of these conspiracy theorists do their best to gather all of the media reports, then pick and choose to take the media out of context and create their own crazy conspiracy driven narrative for the events that took place. If you are skeptical of this video, you should be. It's crap.

Edit: Looks like Anderson Cooper just did a piece on this hoax and how it's bogus (he interviewed several of the parents). It's worth checking out if you are somehow still not convinced.

http://www.reddit.co..._making/c7xjgzr

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As for why the truthers make these conspiracys up well its simple http://en.wikipedia....ical_projection and it will happen every single time a wild west shootout happens in suburbian america.

The same thing with the free market fundimentialists who deny climate change (although theyve changed their position to :iiam: nowadays).

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funny how no one has commented your vid...hmm..

funny how you respond to NO ONE who quotes you directly. fyi - i watched the video that chris posted.. same non-sense.. what the the blue screen prove? the 2nd shooter (guy in the woods) has been proven a few times.. pretty sure someone even posted the article earlier in this thread.

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funny how no one has commented your vid...hmm..

Says the guy that cant reply to anyone's post that counters anything you say.

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I hate to say this but I'm starting to think Sandy Hook might have been staged.

 

However I don't think the goal was gun control,  I think its an attempt to ban video games outright.   There's even a member of the US government that hates video games, you pay the right people, and make up stories.... you get the idea.

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But what would be the point of banning games? If you're staging a massacre, you know the cause isn't violent video games. I cannot comprehend the motivation behind this.

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I hate to say this but I'm starting to think Sandy Hook might have been staged.

 

However I don't think the goal was gun control,  I think its an attempt to ban video games outright.   There's even a member of the US government that hates video games, you pay the right people, and make up stories.... you get the idea.

Mind....Hurts....Cant....

 

Seriously? You're not trolling?

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Mind....Hurts....Cant....

 

Seriously? You're not trolling?

Nope not at all.   I wish I could remember the guys name who hates video games. I knew he tried (and failed) to run for president.

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Nope not at all.   I wish I could remember the guys name who hates video games. I knew he tried (and failed) to run for president.

So this one chap who has a general dislike for video games managed to organise a series of events silently to kill 30 children of their own in some attempt to get rid of video games. Well I suppose those public campaigns never help anything.

 

Jesus absolutely ****ing christ. What is happening to this world.

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I hate to say this but I'm starting to think Sandy Hook might have been staged.

 

However I don't think the goal was gun control,  I think its an attempt to ban video games outright.   There's even a member of the US government that hates video games, you pay the right people, and make up stories.... you get the idea.

So do you think some of the 'victims' may still be alive, somewhere ?

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I am NOT taking the bait on this thread. never mind... let a dead dog lay as he does.. :whistle:

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I am NOT taking the bait on this thread. never mind... let a dead dog lay as he does.. :whistle:

 

 

These type of threads are a government conspiracy so that the government can keep a list of everyone who is a government conspiracy theorist. :)

 

In all honesty visiting the threads in these forums and reading some of the responses are a good way of seeing ones true self and a good gauge of who's crazy on here and who's not.

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^ Oh ? I did not know you are a professional psychiatrist. ;)

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But what would be the point of banning games? If you're staging a massacre, you know the cause isn't violent video games. I cannot comprehend the motivation behind this.

 

Why do people blame race for small issues that have no race relation? Why do people blame God for bad stuff that happens even when they don't believe in God? Why does the US Congress pass laws without reading them? Why do I love drinking scotch?

 

Cause people are ######ed up is all. Every person alive has an agenda - no matter how big or small - and they will exploit things to further it no matter what. Look at the Colombine shooting and blaming doom back in the days. No one wants to take responsibility or call people out as 'bad', so they blame something else.

 

In a lot of cases, people go after what they don't like, even if it is totally unrelated, due to the fact they know people are looking to place blame. Hell, politicians do it daily.

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