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#16 Yusuf M.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 14:01

I disagree again. Kinect came out late, but there is no evidence that something like a low resolution projector would come out that late. The Kinect SKU made money on it's own. So, it still does not make sense. This is a visual thing with the assist of Kinect so I fail to see how it has to sell with the console.

There have been many changes over at the Xbox group from when the 360 came out and technology has changed over time.

If it doesn't make a profit, then it isn't commercially viable. Microsoft wouldn't purposely release a product that isn't ready for the market. And no one knows if this will even become a product. You may think it's a good idea to include technology like IllumiRoom with the next Xbox but I think it's unlikely.

And here's why: Firstly, it requires a Kinect and a projector. Microsoft would need to do a lot to entice customers into buying a projector in addition to a Kinect.

Secondly, would developers have to make their games IllumiRoom-compatible? If so, then that would further complicate things.

Thirdly, the concept is very cool but it isn't practical. Not everyone has a huge wall just waiting to have something projected onto it. And not everyone has the privacy to turn the lights off during the day. What about people with pets? Just imagine how crazy cats would react to fast or slow-moving lights. If you don't know what I mean, then search "cat laser" on YouTube.

Finally, consider all of those things and tell me if you still think it would do well in the market. TheLegendOfMart made a good point about the Kinect being used mostly for casual games. Would a hardcore gamer really want to spend money on Kinect and a projector for what is, arguably, a gimmicky feature?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 21:30

If it doesn't make a profit, then it isn't commercially viable. Microsoft wouldn't purposely release a product that isn't ready for the market. And no one knows if this will even become a product. You may think it's a good idea to include technology like IllumiRoom with the next Xbox but I think it's unlikely.

And here's why: Firstly, it requires a Kinect and a projector. Microsoft would need to do a lot to entice customers into buying a projector in addition to a Kinect.

Secondly, would developers have to make their games IllumiRoom-compatible? If so, then that would further complicate things.

Thirdly, the concept is very cool but it isn't practical. Not everyone has a huge wall just waiting to have something projected onto it. And not everyone has the privacy to turn the lights off during the day. What about people with pets? Just imagine how crazy cats would react to fast or slow-moving lights. If you don't know what I mean, then search "cat laser" on YouTube.

Finally, consider all of those things and tell me if you still think it would do well in the market. TheLegendOfMart made a good point about the Kinect being used mostly for casual games. Would a hardcore gamer really want to spend money on Kinect and a projector for what is, arguably, a gimmicky feature?


How do we exactly know that it's not commercially viable? Microsoft sold Kinect for $150, it was actually worth more like $50 according to companies involved with the specifics.
The Kinect comes with the console, not really that hard to be honest.

Yes, developers would have to code for it. Some of them did for Kinect.

Yes, you wouldn't have to use it during the day or you can do what everyone else does and use blinds and curtains. How on earth does anyone else use projectors?

"Okay guys we can all go home now, everyone has a cat!" - Dumbest thing I have heard this year so far. geeez guys.

Everything is filled with gimmicks including the Occulus Rift, but everyone seems to love that gimmick.

I would buy it in a heart beat and I would also buy Occulus Rift as well. I don't mind buying gimmicks that offer something new. That is why I am not going to buy a steam box (now that is a waste of money).

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:30

Maybe it's just me but the fact MS showed off IllumiRoom at CES of all places and on stage with one of their bigger partners should show you that they do in fact plan on making a big deal out of this and use it. Normally if this was just another MSR concept that was years off they'd simply release a low key video like they normally do up on their website and have a blog post.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:44

Yes, you wouldn't have to use it during the day or you can do what everyone else does and use blinds and curtains. How on earth does anyone else use projectors?

They buy expensive ones that you can use during the day.....any cheap projector is going to require near darkness, not everyone has the ability to control the light in the room to that extent.

No one is going to spend twice what the Kinect cost just to have things happen outside of the TV, with Kinect you could interact with it and use it in a variety of different ways, with the projector all you can do is extend the TV screen onto the wall.

Kinect sold less than a third of the total Xbox install base, I'd expect this projector to sell even less, its not a mainstream device and thus not commercially viable to sell as a product.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:51

How do we exactly know that it's not commercially viable? Microsoft sold Kinect for $150, it was actually worth more like $50 according to companies involved with the specifics.
The Kinect comes with the console, not really that hard to be honest.

Yes, developers would have to code for it. Some of them did for Kinect.

Yes, you wouldn't have to use it during the day or you can do what everyone else does and use blinds and curtains. How on earth does anyone else use projectors?

"Okay guys we can all go home now, everyone has a cat!" - Dumbest thing I have heard this year so far. geeez guys.

Everything is filled with gimmicks including the Occulus Rift, but everyone seems to love that gimmick.

I would buy it in a heart beat and I would also buy Occulus Rift as well. I don't mind buying gimmicks that offer something new. That is why I am not going to buy a steam box (now that is a waste of money).

No one knows for sure but that doesn't mean we can't give an educated guess. If IllumiRoom required you to buy four different components for it to work, then chances are it won't do as well, on the market, as a version that requires just one or two components.

I doubt it would be expensive for developers to make their games IllumiRoom-compatible; however, they'd save money wherever they can. They wouldn't support something that a very small percentage of users would take advantage of. The only big name game I can think of that supported Kinect's voice controls is Mass Effect 3. And even that barely added anything to the gameplay.

You can play a game without having to turn off your lights and close your blinds or curtains. And without having to shroud family members or friends in darkness. Using a projector to watch a movie is different because more than one person can enjoy that. But using IllumiRoom to immerse yourself in a game at the cost of others... it's not entirely selfish but you'd need some time to yourself to fully enjoy it (assuming you live in a house with one or more people, other than yourself).

Dumbest thing you've heard? I'll assume you don't know anyone that owns a cat. A majority of my friends have pets and most of them are cats. Also, no one said anything about everyone having a cat.

The Occulus Rift shouldn't be compared to IllumiRoom. For one thing, it had a very successful Kickstarter campaign (with the intention to bring it to market as soon as possible). They not only met their initial $250K goal, but exceeded it by about $2.15M. It has also been well-received by game developers, journalists, and most gamers that have come across it on the web. It offers a level of immersion that could never be achieved with a projector and motion-sensing camera. And I certainly wouldn't call it a gimmick.

I'm not saying, with certainty, that Microsoft won't release IllumiRoom. I simply believe that it's unlikely. In any case, we'll probably find out either in late-March or early-June.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:50

Maybe it's just me but the fact MS showed off IllumiRoom at CES of all places and on stage with one of their bigger partners should show you that they do in fact plan on making a big deal out of this and use it. Normally if this was just another MSR concept that was years off they'd simply release a low key video like they normally do up on their website and have a blog post.


I'm more inclined to agree with this.

It's not that far off an idea, hell we already have TV's that project colour on to the wall behind them, this is another logical step forward.

However, i highly doubt they'll ship this with or build it into the next XBOX. Like Kinect, it'll be sold as a stand alone product for those that can afford it and those that want to be on the cutting edge, which i'm afraid probably won't be me :p

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 00:00

Maybe it's just me but the fact MS showed off IllumiRoom at CES of all places and on stage with one of their bigger partners should show you that they do in fact plan on making a big deal out of this and use it. Normally if this was just another MSR concept that was years off they'd simply release a low key video like they normally do up on their website and have a blog post.


I believe this as well. Why not just show a video on your website and publish a tweet about it? It's going to be made into a product and it's in the production stage. Why would Microsoft show it at the Samsung keynote? Because Samsung projector technology is involved.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 00:06

No one knows for sure but that doesn't mean we can't give an educated guess. If IllumiRoom required you to buy four different components for it to work, then chances are it won't do as well, on the market, as a version that requires just one or two components.

I doubt it would be expensive for developers to make their games IllumiRoom-compatible; however, they'd save money wherever they can. They wouldn't support something that a very small percentage of users would take advantage of. The only big name game I can think of that supported Kinect's voice controls is Mass Effect 3. And even that barely added anything to the gameplay.

You can play a game without having to turn off your lights and close your blinds or curtains. And without having to shroud family members or friends in darkness. Using a projector to watch a movie is different because more than one person can enjoy that. But using IllumiRoom to immerse yourself in a game at the cost of others... it's not entirely selfish but you'd need some time to yourself to fully enjoy it (assuming you live in a house with one or more people, other than yourself).

Dumbest thing you've heard? I'll assume you don't know anyone that owns a cat. A majority of my friends have pets and most of them are cats. Also, no one said anything about everyone having a cat.

The Occulus Rift shouldn't be compared to IllumiRoom. For one thing, it had a very successful Kickstarter campaign (with the intention to bring it to market as soon as possible). They not only met their initial $250K goal, but exceeded it by about $2.15M. It has also been well-received by game developers, journalists, and most gamers that have come across it on the web. It offers a level of immersion that could never be achieved with a projector and motion-sensing camera. And I certainly wouldn't call it a gimmick.

I'm not saying, with certainty, that Microsoft won't release IllumiRoom. I simply believe that it's unlikely. In any case, we'll probably find out either in late-March or early-June.


It won't be built in with Kinect and you will probably not see it in Late March as it won't be built in with the console. It's a technology that will be for later consumption like for example maybe 2014 or maybe even later. I would personally love it to be built in, but the price is just too high for that to happen.

Some people can't use Kinect because their disabled and some people can't use projectors because they have cats. That doesn't stop progress though.