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And you can prove that, how? And it is relevant, how? The world is not about the grades, it is about how you use the skills. I think you did not did your supposed 95% in English credit when you misinterpreted what was supposed to be light humour with no intention of personal attack or agenda except to poke fun at the home depot statement. I guess I could give you the benefit of the doubt, as we all know if you study literature enough there is always something hidden between the lines, but you seem to taken the "oh wait" quip far too personally.

I suppose if you take the entire conversation out of context, what you say makes sense. Too bad the context is there and exists. My grades became relevant when it was questioned. There seems to be some type of difficulty following along with conversations around here lately. If you're going to jump in, at least have the courtesy to follow along. I suppose I could scan my transcript if it would make you feel better, however I doubt it would. You'd probably end up feeling embarrassed and I'm not really willing to dish out the $10 to go pick it up, over an argument on the Internet. For the record, I don't take much of what Raze says personally. He just receives the same response (attitude, sarcasms etc) that he gives.

When i read Raze's statement, I chuckled. Chainsaws are very effective at cutting those pesky trees, more so than people and probably more so than anything else. Now it begs the question, what is guns most effective at these.... probably killing organic meatbags of some sort.

I still fail to see what business a chainsaw vs trees has in a discussion about shootings. The comparison is illogical.

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And people completely ignore my post. I guess if they acknowledged it they couldn't continue to completely make it seem like it's a bigger deal than it actually is?

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And people completely ignore my post. I guess if they acknowledged it they couldn't continue to completely make it seem like it's a bigger deal than it actually is?

I agree with your post, for the most part. However, none of the things you listed is currently being widely debated (Worldwide I might add) due to recent events.

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Idiots. People hurt themselves with chainsaws, too, but no-one is crying about Home Depot selling them.

If I could go to Home Depot and start one up then your analogy might have some merit.

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So people getting hurt in WORK accidents with their TOOL of necessity, being a chainssaw, is the same as accidentally getting hurt with a weapon that is absolutely not necessary and has not needed for any work(unless you're in Afghanistan, but then of course your weapon is being provided by your employer, ie the military)

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All these incidents are as the title says accidents, nothing more nothing less. If they were per meditated or deliberate then there would be a story here. Otherwise it's just humans being humans .

To err is human to forgive is Devine.

Having never held or used a gun I will ask I thought when you removed the magazine you were supposed to empty the chamber, isn't this one of the first rules when using guns?

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No need to blame the guns here. They were doing exactly what they were desgined to do.

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calling BS 5 and 3 different ones? erm major bs calling a set up here ... all these gun accidents and shootings are happening at time the government want them to happen ... im not a massive conspiracy theorist but come on all this stuff happening at the time the government wants guns gone or limited is a bit iffy.... still say they want guns removed so the people dont have the power to resist a take over

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calling BS 5 and 3 different ones? erm major bs calling a set up here ... all these gun accidents and shootings are happening at time the government want them to happen ... im not a massive conspiracy theorist but come on all this stuff happening at the time the government wants guns gone or limited is a bit iffy.... still say they want guns removed so the people dont have the power to resist a take over

Wat.

Go read the news, there are news articles every week about either gun homicide or gun accidents.

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The difference isn't that these accidents are happening, look at the stats, they've been happening all the time, its just that they're being reported now.

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The difference isn't that these accidents are happening, look at the stats, they've been happening all the time, its just that they're being reported now.

No. It's clearly a government conspiracy, go away with your facts.

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yes, of course :)

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It's downright amazing the lengths people will go to in order

to take away someone else's Rights.

My analogy works because it's true. Just about anything can be used to kill someone,

and the reason we know this is because it has been used to kill someone. According to

multiple sources (don't be a sheep, do your own damn research), hammers have been

used more often than firearms to kill people in the United States. Are they being banned?

Nope.

And the whole "it wasn't designed to kill people" argument is equally stupid: clubs, knives,

axes... these items were invented TO KILL PEOPLE, the fact that they're also used to

break open nuts, slide and dice food, or chop down trees is merely a bonus.

Another reason my analogy works is because it points out that I'm being punished for the

misdeeds of someone else. If the Government decided to Ban cars, then everyone who

owns a car would suddenly become a criminal, not through any fault or misdeed of their own,

but simply because the Government decided it. And then when the Government comes for

your car, you'd cry like a baby at the injustice of having been punished and labeled a criminal

because SOMEONE ELSE decided to drive drunk, or just run someone over out of malice.

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It's downright amazing the lengths people will go to in order

to take away someone else's Rights.

And what about the right for people to go about their lives without being shot? You see, the problem with rights is that one person's rights will inevitably intrude upon another person's rights and it is for the legal system to determine where one ends and another begins. Should people have the right to 100-round ammo drums for machine guns or is the risk to the public so great that they should be banned? Should people have the right to carry a concealed firearms or is that more likely to cause problems? Most other western countries have found a decent compromise but in the US many in the pro-gun crowd continue to behave like petulant children, throwing a tantrum every time someone tries to take away their toys.

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It's downright amazing the lengths people will go to in order

to take away someone else's Rights.

My analogy works because it's true. Just about anything can be used to kill someone,

and the reason we know this is because it has been used to kill someone. According to

multiple sources (don't be a sheep, do your own damn research), hammers have been

used more often than firearms to kill people in the United States. Are they being banned?

Nope.

And the whole "it wasn't designed to kill people" argument is equally stupid: clubs, knives,

axes... these items were invented TO KILL PEOPLE, the fact that they're also used to

break open nuts, slide and dice food, or chop down trees is merely a bonus.

Another reason my analogy works is because it points out that I'm being punished for the

misdeeds of someone else. If the Government decided to Ban cars, then everyone who

owns a car would suddenly become a criminal, not through any fault or misdeed of their own,

but simply because the Government decided it. And then when the Government comes for

your car, you'd cry like a baby at the injustice of having been punished and labeled a criminal

because SOMEONE ELSE decided to drive drunk, or just run someone over out of malice.

So how many kids would have died at that Newtown school before the 3 staff members could have stopped a maniac running around with a hammer?

Hammer: at the most one life lost

Gun: 26

Clearly guns=hammers

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And the whole "it wasn't designed to kill people" argument is equally stupid: clubs, knives,

axes... these items were invented TO KILL PEOPLE, the fact that they're also used to

break open nuts, slide and dice food, or chop down trees is merely a bonus.

I think you got that backwards, they were all created as TOOLS but people also use them for killing.

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I think you got that backwards, they were all created as TOOLS but people also use them for killing.

No, necessity is the mother of invention. Weapons are defined as tools, and if there were

ever a reason to invent a new tool it's survival. And survival has always meant killing or

be killed.

So how many kids would have died at that Newtown school before the 3 staff members could have stopped a maniac running around with a hammer?

Hammer: at the most one life lost

Gun: 26

Clearly guns=hammers

Have you not been watching the news? A guy in China killed more kids with a knife (close-combat weapon

no better than a knife) than the guy in Newtown did with his guns. Do your research before you spout out bull****.

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Do your research before you spout out bull****.

it is known that some people don't get it. Easier way for you: If you had to kill 20 people in a few mins, which would be the easiest way out of these choices: A) gun B) knives C) hands ? Hope this demonstrates the idea enough.

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My analogy works because it's true. Just about anything can be used to kill someone,

and the reason we know this is because it has been used to kill someone. According to

multiple sources (don't be a sheep, do your own damn research), hammers have been

used more often than firearms to kill people in the United States. Are they being banned?

Your analogy fails because a gun us made to kill people, and most of them are made to specifically kill people not to hunt. And you're comparing it to a tool, and people getting hurt at WORK, in WORK accidents. not people getting hurt at trade shows and other places with their latest "toy", and yes a gun is not a toy, but that's how it's being used.

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It's downright amazing the lengths people will go to in order

to take away someone else's Rights.

My analogy works because it's true. Just about anything can be used to kill someone,

and the reason we know this is because it has been used to kill someone. According to

multiple sources (don't be a sheep, do your own damn research), hammers have been

used more often than firearms to kill people in the United States. Are they being banned?

Nope.

And the whole "it wasn't designed to kill people" argument is equally stupid: clubs, knives,

axes... these items were invented TO KILL PEOPLE, the fact that they're also used to

break open nuts, slide and dice food, or chop down trees is merely a bonus.

Another reason my analogy works is because it points out that I'm being punished for the

misdeeds of someone else. If the Government decided to Ban cars, then everyone who

owns a car would suddenly become a criminal, not through any fault or misdeed of their own,

but simply because the Government decided it. And then when the Government comes for

your car, you'd cry like a baby at the injustice of having been punished and labeled a criminal

because SOMEONE ELSE decided to drive drunk, or just run someone over out of malice.

It's astounding that anyone would think that this is a reasonable argument.

Military grade firearms are far more destructive than every day house hold items. Hence why guns are used by police & military... & spree murderers. Yes people can kill with essentailly anything, but for quick & maximuim number of deaths, there is no question that a hammer isn't not going compare to an assault rifle. Spree murders wouldn't nesscarily stop with out a gun available, but the amount of deaths would greatly be reduced.

You should note the recent spate of school knife attacks in China. The last of which happened on the same day as the Sandy Hook shooting... Except with 20+ people stabbed no one died in China. Infact if I remeber correct over the last three years there has been 10 such attacks in China in which the total death count is about equal to that in the Sandy Hook shooting alone.

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(don't be a sheep, do your own damn research)

Do your research before you spout out bull****.

I'd be more inclined to listen to you if you were capable of doing your own research properly, before accusing others of being sheep and not doing their own. Your mention of the China knife attack is incorrect. There were 23 injured, not killed. I suppose that doesn't really help your argument though so it seems fitting that you would distort the truth.

Even if you take into account the last attack (Monday), one person died. Hardly a "massacre". I suppose maybe the if the attacker had a hammer, he might have been able to do more damage. :rolleyes:

Ridiculous analogies are ridiculous, no matter how well you've convinced yourself. A gun is a gun and it is designed to kill. That is it's main function and purpose.

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No, necessity is the mother of invention. Weapons are defined as tools, and if there were

ever a reason to invent a new tool it's survival. And survival has always meant killing or

be killed.

Have you not been watching the news? A guy in China killed more kids with a knife (close-combat weapon

no better than a knife) than the guy in Newtown did with his guns. Do your research before you spout out bull****.

What bull****? I just replaced a gun in that Newtown tragedy with a hammer. It wasn't my analogy to begin with, I just showed how stupid you sound when you compare objects which are not weapons with guns. Oh and now we can use outside/foreign examples? I thought only Americans can opine on second amendment and all foreigners have no place in this debate. So anything happening outside US is off the bounds such as strict gun laws in other countries which have next to no such massacres.

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Have you not been watching the news? A guy in China killed more kids with a knife (close-combat weapon

no better than a knife) than the guy in Newtown did with his guns. Do your research before you spout out bull****.

Do YOUR research before you spout out bull****.

No kids are dead in that Chinese knife attack.

Can't believe you have the audacity to tell other people not spouting bull**** while you spouting bull**** without a blink of an eye.

Don't know which one is worse, your stupidity or you think all those kids are dead.

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Have you not been watching the news? A guy in China killed more kids with a knife (close-combat weapon

no better than a knife) than the guy in Newtown did with his guns. Do your research before you spout out bull****.

Killed or slashed???

http://worldnews.nbc...s-in-china?lite

Here is a list of knife attacks on school children in China, none of which were as bad as the Newtown killings. http://en.wikipedia....10%E2%80%932012)

At least be honest here, slashing kids is bad but killing kids is far worse.

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