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[jakem1]

The government needs to arm Walmart customers so they can defend themselves.

[TheLegendOfMart]

trag3dy, on 23 January 2013 - 04:33, said:

Might be considered off topic, but I think it's relevant because this topic revolves around this kid playing violent video games.

Wasn't so long ago that rock 'n' roll was being blamed for violence, there will always be a scapegoat instead of going after the root cause.

Funny how all the pro-gunners jump on the defensive and try and make excuses for why guns shouldn't be banned. Wonder if it would change your mind if one or more of your family are killed by a gunman who legally owned a weapon.

[+Perfect72]

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Griego reportedly gushed to police about his love for violent video games during the interrogation, Houston said. He told police he loved to play Modern Warfare and Grand Theft Auto.
"The suspect was involved heavily in games, violent games, it's what he was into," Houston said. "He was quite excited as he discussed this with our investigators."

In other news, 40-60% of the Earth's population (roughly 2.5 billion, to 4.2 billion people) who play video games, did not kill anyone today, yesterday, and probably not tomorrow.

[KingCracker]

TheLegendOfMart, on 23 January 2013 - 09:30, said:

Wasn't so long ago that rock 'n' roll was being blamed for violence, there will always be a scapegoat instead of going after the root cause.

Funny how all the pro-gunners jump on the defensive and try and make excuses for why guns shouldn't be banned. Wonder if it would change your mind if one or more of your family are killed by a gunman who legally owned a weapon.

Suzanna Hupp didn't change her mind after her parents were killed by a gunman, she almost lost her life too in the shooting. She didnt change her mind and went on to fight for gun rights because gun control kept her from carrying a gun in the restaurant where the gunman opened fire killing several people including her mother and father. He had time to reload too. She is now a pro gun senator.

[Simon-]

TheLegendOfMart, on 23 January 2013 - 09:30, said:

Wasn't so long ago that rock 'n' roll was being blamed for violence, there will always be a scapegoat instead of going after the root cause.

Funny how all the pro-gunners jump on the defensive and try and make excuses for why guns shouldn't be banned. Wonder if it would change your mind if one or more of your family are killed by a gunman who legally owned a weapon.

You seem to be contradicting yourself there, you seem to be scapegoating the guns/pro-gunners.

I know that it is popular outside of the US to blame guns because outside the US, Africa, South America, South East Asia and the Middle East, gun-related violence is nearly non-existent, so it is easy to dismiss. I am in Australia, and I definitely would not want guns to be freely available because the problem just does not exist. But when dealing with the issue as it relates to the US, you have to look at a bit more subjectively and without the stereotypes of the cowboy texan who shoots at everything.

The simple fact that guns are there to stay. It would be impossible to completely remove guns to levels that you would find in other parts of the world without gun problems. If you start going after guns, you are going to have a disproportionate amount of people who still have their guns against the law compared to law abiding citizens without guns. Gun culture is so engrained as a "basic right" over there that previously law-abiding citizens would still carry guns no matter what the laws say. If you had a society with uncontrolled guns, then you are going to have much worse problems. Much better to control it than to stop it.

It's not to say that the prevalence of guns in the US is not without it's issues. There needs to be more done to keep guns secured away from unlicensed users getting access to them (such as children). But in the grand scheme of things, a small amount of gun-related deaths as a result of legal gun ownership (such as this case where the guns were purchased legally even though the operator was not licensed for or using it legally) is nothing in the grand scheme of things in a country of millions of people.

Very tragic yes, but the real problem is not the guns, the real problem is keeping guns away from Children, Criminals, Idiots and the Mentally Ill. Better guns safes where Daddy does not give little Johnny the codes no matter how trustworthy he is. More guns given to responsible gun users to deter criminals (the only thing that makes a criminal think twice about using a gun is that they could be faced against a gun). Better training to stop people from doing stupid things with guns that result in accidents, and a basic intelligence test would be good too however unrealistic unfortunately. Better mental health care and AWARENESS in the community to pick up nutcases early on and get them into treatment before it gets to the point where they go on mass murder sprees.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Only an idiot can think that more guns is the best way to fight against guns. If guns were banned back in the day her family would probably still be alive.

Simon-, on 23 January 2013 - 10:17, said:

You seem to be contradicting yourself there, you seem to be scapegoating the guns/pro-gunners.

I know that it is popular outside of the US to blame guns because outside the US, Africa, South America, South East Asia and the Middle East, gun-related violence is nearly non-existent, so it is easy to dismiss. I am in Australia, and I definitely would not want guns to be freely available because the problem just does not exist. But when dealing with the issue as it relates to the US, you have to look at a bit more subjectively and without the stereotypes of the cowboy texan who shoots at everything.

The simple fact that guns are there to stay. It would be impossible to completely remove guns to levels that you would find in other parts of the world without gun problems. If you start going after guns, you are going to have a disproportionate amount of people who still have their guns against the law compared to law abiding citizens without guns. Gun culture is so engrained as a "basic right" over there that previously law-abiding citizens would still carry guns no matter what the laws say. If you had a society with uncontrolled guns, then you are going to have much worse problems. Much better to control it than to stop it.

It's not to say that the prevalence of guns in the US is not without it's issues. There needs to be more done to keep guns secured away from unlicensed users getting access to them (such as children). But in the grand scheme of things, a small amount of gun-related deaths as a result of legal gun ownership (such as this case where the guns were purchased legally even though the operator was not licensed for or using it legally) is nothing in the grand scheme of things in a country of millions of people.

Very tragic yes, but the real problem is not the guns, the real problem is keeping guns away from Children, Criminals, Idiots and the Mentally Ill. Better guns safes where Daddy does not give little Johnny the codes no matter how trustworthy he is. More guns given to responsible gun users to deter criminals (the only thing that makes a criminal think twice about using a gun is that they could be faced against a gun). Better training to stop people from doing stupid things with guns that result in accidents, and a basic intelligence test would be good too however unrealistic unfortunately. Better mental health care and AWARENESS in the community to pick up nutcases early on and get them into treatment before it gets to the point where they go on mass murder sprees.

Completely agree, I am just fighting stupid with stupid, some of the pro-gun justifications in here are ridiculous.

Ideally I would want guns completely banned, but alternately I think they should be heavily restricted, not to the point where it is impossible to get a gun, but to make it so all the red tape isn't worth it unless you really wanted or needed one.

I'm not sure how it works in the US but when you apply for a firearm certificate in the UK before they will even entertain you, you get a home visit from a firearms officer who will check your home and your gun safe to see if it is sufficiently secured and hidden and that the ammo for the gun is not stored in the same safe as the weapon, even then he might flat out refuse you for some arbitrary reason.

[freak180]

Location: England

[TheLegendOfMart]

freak180, on 23 January 2013 - 10:36, said:

Location: England

What's your point?

I have family in the US I don't want gunned down by some moron with a gun?

[KingCracker]

TheLegendOfMart, on 23 January 2013 - 10:37, said:

What's your point?

I have family in the US I don't want gunned down by some moron with a gun?

The chances of being shot in a mass shooting are rare. You are more likely to be struck by lightening. But lets all go into mass hysteria and ban everything under the sun. Lets all wear crash helmets and padding when we go out in the world too.

[+Blank]

freak180, on 23 January 2013 - 10:36, said:

Location: England

I'm from kansas, and i agree with everything he says, therefor using your logic his posts have now been validated.
Mind blowing, right?

[TheLegendOfMart]

KingCracker, on 23 January 2013 - 10:41, said:

The chances of being shot in a mass shooting are rare. You are more likely to be struck by lightening. But lets all go into mass hysteria and ban everything under the sun. Lets all wear crash helmets and padding when we go out in the world too.

What a surprise, you "like" the comment about me being in England.

How about you reply like a mature human being instead of being instantly on the defensive with fallacious arguments.

[KingCracker]

muggerfugger, on 23 January 2013 - 10:42, said:

I'm from kansas, and i agree with everything he says, therefor using your logic his posts have now been validated.
Mind blowing, right?

Well you admitted that if you didn't play video games you would probably kill people so I do agree people like you don't need to own a gun.

[+Blank]

KingCracker, on 23 January 2013 - 10:47, said:

Well you admitted that if you didn't play video games you would probably kill people so I do agree people like you don't need to own a gun.

Nice attempt a derail (what you usually do when you lose debates).
But
No, i said in a sarcastic way "If anything video games relieve my urge to kill others in real life". along with a at the end to point out i was joking.

From your posts, and what you seem to believe as "facts", its obvious you're not the best at picking up on sarcasms or when someone is just bull****tin.

[Intrinsica]

Reading through the series of events really turned my stomach. Truly disturbing...

[KingCracker]

I haven't lost anything but nice try psycho.