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[JaredFrost]

HawkMan, on 24 January 2013 - 10:11, said:

You're calling the Crow dumb? The bird tha would outsmart any cat, and if threatened and they don't like your cat, they will not just attack it, they will gang up and attack it strategically with a whole flock, or murder as it where, and probably kill the cat.

So true, Crows are very smart, one of the few animals that will use -tools- for a purpose, e.g: food that is out of reach.

HawkMan, on 24 January 2013 - 10:30, said:

There are other animals you keep mice away, and I'm sure NZ has their own mice predators. Cats are not as effective mouse hunters as cat overs like to make out.

I don't have mice around my house out in nowhere, probably because there are two other predators around, foxes, and more important for the mice, another tiny to creature I don't know the fish name for, but it looks like a ferret, and they are most effective mice eradicators.

Sadly, I believe mice are an invasive introduced species to NZ also, the reason those flightless birds exist there is because
there was little to no other threatening wildlife there so flying wasn't essential to survival.

But mice are something humans can take care of, no need of cats.

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[astropheed]

I'm actually a little surprised at how many people hate Cats. I really thought this would be a case where everyone said this guy was crazy and move on. But people are agreeing with him in this thread, and in majority it seems...

I think that Cats are the perfect animal.
- They can show compassion to people and sometimes even Dogs and other animals like Rabbits.
- The are amazingly agile, quick and resourceful.
- They can climb most anything, jump high, run fast.
- They have excellent muscle/skeletal structure that allows them to be efficient survivalists.
- Hell, every limb on them is a weapon.
- They are oddly difficult to kill.

They, to me, have won their place in the Animal Kingdom, and this is with a shaky history with Humans that goes on to this day. The poor creatures seem to be the problem when I don't believe they are, I think you'll find you have a far greater problem without them.

I don't even own a Cat, and my only pets are 3 Rabbits and 1 Alexandrine Parrot. Both species of which are apparently the Prey to these 'murderous' Cats.

You can hate Cats, fine, you will anyways. It seems irrational to me, but perhaps I'm missing something. But, they are here now, and none of you have the right to take that away. None of you have the right to take any animal away. To think you do is the epitome of ignorance.

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astropheed, on 24 January 2013 - 20:40, said:

I'm actually a little surprised at how many people hate Cats. I really thought this would be a case where everyone said this guy was crazy and move on. But people are agreeing with him in this thread, and in majority it seems...

I don't hate cats, and I don't necessarily agree with what the guy is proposing. I just don't deny what they do to native species.

[HawkMan]

astropheed, on 24 January 2013 - 20:40, said:

I'm actually a little surprised at how many people hate Cats. I really thought this would be a case where everyone said this guy was crazy and move on. But people are agreeing with him in this thread, and in majority it seems...

I think that Cats are the perfect animal.
- They can show compassion to people and sometimes even Dogs and other animals like Rabbits.
- The are amazingly agile, quick and resourceful.
- They can climb most anything, jump high, run fast.
- They have excellent muscle/skeletal structure that allows them to be efficient survivalists.
- Hell, every limb on them is a weapon.
- They are oddly difficult to kill.

They, to me, have won their place in the Animal Kingdom, and this is with a shaky history with Humans that goes on to this day. The poor creatures seem to be the problem when I don't believe they are, I think you'll find you have a far greater problem without them.

I don't even own a Cat, and my only pets are 3 Rabbits and 1 Alexandrine Parrot. Both species of which are apparently the Prey to these 'murderous' Cats.

You can hate Cats, fine, you will anyways. It seems irrational to me, but perhaps I'm missing something. But, they are here now, and none of you have the right to take that away. None of you have the right to take any animal away. To think you do is the epitome of ignorance.

I don't hate cats and what he's proposing is not about hating cats. it's about removing an alien animal from ecosystem it doesn't belong in and that it is destroying.

I don't hate rabbits either, but that doesn't mean that they belong in Australia and haven't been ruining the ecosystem since they where introduced years ago.

[JaredFrost]

astropheed, on 24 January 2013 - 20:40, said:

I'm actually a little surprised at how many people hate Cats. I really thought this would be a case where everyone said this guy was crazy and move on. But people are agreeing with him in this thread, and in majority it seems...

It's not about hate, they were brought in by humans and are killing off and driving to extinction native species, and removing the cat from that environment
will not drive the cat to extinction.

What you're basically saying though, is the cat, brought in by humans should be allowed to drive those local native species to extinction, simply because
you're unwilling to be the one that gets their hands dirty, not realizing by doing nothing, we're equally as responsible for them driving them into extinction
You can't just close your eyes to the issue and say, well the cat did it, so it's ok, because no, the cat didn't just do it, we did it too.

It may not be a nice and pretty solution with rainbows, but at least there will be those birds, however annoying the Kiwi is(they aren't the only flightless bird in NZ either).