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#31 +Brando212

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:27

I'm guessing the price includes an OEM version of Win7 which would make the price pretty reasonable

nope, as I've already said to 2 other posts in this thread, OEM computers with Windows 8 on them have free downgrade rights


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:27

I have "an idiot". I didn't know that, thank you for telling me. If you meant "You're an idiot", then that would be a complete false acusation. See, because I don't like windows 8, and would prefer to not deal with it, that doesn't make me an idiot. Thanks for your input though.



I guess the people I help are smart enough to download programs from websites and get exactly what they want without problem. No need to use some special store. Maybe you should teach them how to do that Mr. Computer Tech.



1. I never did that, XP had a fine start menu, as did Vista/7. The start menu has evolved very nicely over time. That said, the start menu has evolved as a menu. The start screen is not a start menu, so it cannot be compared.

2. I don't use facebook, I couldn't tell you what it looks like right now, I couldn't tell you the changes that have happened.

Thank you for this enlighting discussion, in which you try to tell me who I am (or what I have?), but knowing absolutely nothign about me, you made no correct assumptions.


I agree. I hate the attitude of the Windows 8 fanatics. Some say we do not know how to use computers. Some say we need to learn how to use the mouse because there is NO POSSIBLE way you should EVER activate the hot corners by accident. And some say we MUST have done the same thing on XP.

Windows 95 -> Windows 98 -> Windows 2000 -> Windows XP -> Windows Vista -> Windows 7 have all been GREAT upgrade and I welcomed ALL of the changes. Windows 7 -> Windows 8 is the only upgrade that irritates me.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:29

downgrading to windows 7 is free from an OEM computer with Windows 8. OEM computers have had downgrade rights since Vista


I honestly haven't looked into that, so I'm not sure, but I was under the impression that this didn't apply to everyone, everywhere
There were conditions. I guess I'm interested now and I'll look it up.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:29

nope, as I've already said to 2 other posts in this thread, OEM computers with Windows 8 on them have free downgrade rights


Does that count after purchase? Maybe people got Windows 8, tried it for a month and still want Windows 7. Can they still get the free downgrade? What about if they did get the free downgrade, is somebody supposed to install it, update it, and install all their programs for free?

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:30

coming from cultofmac.com

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:31

coming from cultofmac.com

And their source used to work for Apple. :laugh:

#37 Kaze23

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:32

I can't much blame them.


Yeah but you still choose to use XP, so that pretty much renders your opinion on other OS's irrelevant by default.

If people want to waste that much money to downgrade to Windows 7 (which is still a great OS, don't get me wrong) because they're too impatient (or stupid) to learn a few simple tricks to use Windows 8, then so be it. It makes me laugh when people want to use OS X or Linux because they want to try something different, then when they try Windows 8, they complain about it because it's different.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:39

Yeah but you still choose to use XP, so that pretty much renders your opinion on other OS's irrelevant by default.

If people want to waste that much money to downgrade to Windows 7 (which is still a great OS, don't get me wrong) because they're too impatient (or stupid) to learn a few simple tricks to use Windows 8, then so be it. It makes me laugh when people want to use OS X or Linux because they want to try something different, then when they try Windows 8, they complain about it because it's different.


You are forgetting something though. Most people work, and some of those probably have Windows XP/Vista/7 installed on their computer. It is not just a simple fact of learning a new OS paradigm. It is the fact that you must now remember two different paradigms. Windows XP/Vista/7 at work, and Windows 8 at home.

This is exactly why I keep getting calls about where the shut down option is in Windows 8. They get to work and use the Start Menu (which they have used for years), and they forget where it is in Windows 8.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:40

Many here miss the point: the fact that such service even exists clearly proves Windows 8 is not loved as much as it should.


Huh? Microsoft has ALWAYS had downgrade rights. This is nothing new, and doesn't prove a thing.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:40

I doubt most people (non-techies) would even notice if you upgraded them from 7 to 8, as long as you made sure to install Start8 and to disable the hot corners.


They would know as soon as it booted if they had Win 7 before.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:46

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:47

Does that count after purchase? Maybe people got Windows 8, tried it for a month and still want Windows 7. Can they still get the free downgrade? What about if they did get the free downgrade, is somebody supposed to install it, update it, and install all their programs for free?


I've had a lady come to me in that situation, she was all excited about Windows 8 and wanted it, and she bought it and installed it herself, but after some false information from other -techs- about software compatability/etc
She wanted to uninstall Windows 8 and go back to Windows 7, I checked out her system out, everything seemed fine so I questioned her some more, she had no problems with Windows 8 and loved it other than the false
information she was given, I dislike Windows 8 like any other good hearted human being, but I'm not about to force that view on someone, people can make up their own minds, so I gave her the correct information
installed her programs, etc, and sent her on her merry way, happy as can be.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:54

Many here miss the point: the fact that such service even exists clearly proves Windows 8 is not loved as much as it should.


Really no different than other versions. We had the same plan for Windows ME, Windows 2000 at Best Buy and I remember that service being offered after I left for downgrading from XP when it came out.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 17:16

Windows 8 can be daunting (for about 15 minutes) if you're not familiar with it...however you've got to be a complete imbecile to prefer to pay $125 instead of just installing something like Start8.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 17:22

$125 is cheap

How many of you have downgraded a OEM Windows 8 computer to Windows 7?

The majority of drivers don't go BACKWARDS and when you have nutcase scenarios like the HP's latest residential laptop where they specifically come out and say "we have no intentions of releasing Windows 7 drivers" then you're faced with hunting them down.

Now let's get that one device or two that is very hard pressed to find a driver, maybe you've had to modify an INF file to get it to work? The install alone with all the updates (which should be done) can take 30 minutes, then you've got to find and fix every broken device driver and then TEST to make sure everything works...2-3 hours isn't far fetched at all, and unless you're into losing money at your business (i.e. overhead) you're not going to charge $20 for that service.