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France to deport radical Muslim clerics

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Are you aware of how a demoracy works ? Without a secular constitution like that of the united states it is pretty much majority rules.

Religious courts and laws are allowed.

The US Constitution is NOT Secular -READ it. it guarantees the Freedom to practice and believe in any Religion The US is also not a Democracy, it is a Republic..

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The US Constitution is NOT Secular -READ it. it guarantees the Freedom to practice and believe in any Religion

God will you learn what that word means, Its exactly what you just described.

The US is also not a Democracy, it is a Republic..

And as ive allready stated its safe from the tyrany of religious laws and courts, Europe however is not.

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I was talking about this comment and his entire attitude on people with faith.

No worse than the attitudes people like you show towards people without it.

The US Constitution is NOT Secular -READ it. it guarantees the Freedom to practice and believe in any Religion The US is also not a Democracy, it is a Republic..

Given that Atheism has been classified as a religion (wrongly) by your own legal code it is a freedom that must legally be extended to Atheists.

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The US might be secular by name, but the crazy Christians have more influence in the US than most people care to admit. And people waste taxpayers money all the time trying to sneak religion into every aspect of American lives, just look at the amount of money wasted on the Kitzmiller V Dover trial.

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If only the UK had the same policy, but alas, we're all about xxx-treme Islam, it's so multi-cultural and exciting.

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The US might be secular by name, but the crazy Christians have more influence in the US than most people care to admit. And people waste taxpayers money all the time trying to sneak religion into every aspect of American lives, just look at the amount of money wasted on the Kitzmiller V Dover trial.

Christians are not Crazy.

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Christians are not Crazy.

Some of them are.

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God will you learn what that word means, Its exactly what you just described.

And as ive allready stated its safe from the tyrany of religious laws and courts, Europe however is not.

Then I guess I know what it means, as for Europe, you live there do something about it as France is doing.

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Christians are not Crazy.

Not all... but plenty inside the US are. The kind of absurd crap you see in "creation museums" depicting people living with dinosaurs tells you all you need to know. And before the "fringe lunatics" argument comes out, studies indicate that more Americans accept young earth creationism than evolution.

Then I guess I know what it means, as for Europe, you live there do something about it as France is doing.

I completely support what France is doing. I don't believe in putting religious faith above common sense, nor do I believe we should have any obligation to house hate preaching bigots. Some politically correct fools seem to be under the impression that it's some wholesale effort to oppress Muslims, when in fact they're just trying to get rid of the dangerous hate preachers.

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Not all... but plenty inside the US are. The kind of absurd crap you see in "creation museums" depicting people living with dinosaurs tells you all you need to know.

Just how many Christians inside the US do you personally know who are crazy? What France is now doing should have been done years ago.

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Well in my experience, pretty much every one that I have ran into from the bible belt states have been completely nuts. In the more liberal parts of America it tends to vary. I knew an Atheist that lived in Little Rock, Arkansas and it was a common occurrence for Christians to ask her (not even in a joking way) if she drank blood. Christians like to push the lie that they're more progressive and tolerant than Muslims, and whilst they are admittedly less violent, based on my experienced i'd say that's a lie.

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Good Guy France - taking a stand against these types of things.

Not people, things.

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Well in my experience, pretty much every one that I have ran into from the bible belt states have been completely nuts. In the more liberal parts of America it tends to vary. I knew an Atheist that lived in Little Rock, Arkansas and it was a common occurrence for Christians to ask her (not even in a joking way) if she drank blood. Christians like to push the lie that they're more progressive and tolerant than Muslims, and whilst they are admittedly less violent, based on my experienced i'd say that's a lie.

Christians do not strap bomb belts on their Children. All of the Christians I know are tolerant of others and don't try to force their Religion on them. Some do that which I am totally against. When they knock on my door and want me to read their literature I get upset. People have a right to believe that as they choose but they do not have the right to force their beliefs on others which is exactly what The French are trying to prevent.

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France has surprised me of late. I never would have thought they do some of the things they currently are doing.

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France has surprised me of late. I never would have thought they do some of the things they currently are doing.

Surprised you in a good way or a bad way?

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Surprised you in a good way or a bad way?

I'm still working on that one.

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Allow me to chime in ...

I am a little bit surprised that this is actually news because this is not the first time a foreign Muslim clerics is deported.

The problem is that there is a large Muslim community in France and they want to practice their religion.

Because of the separation of State and Religion in France, the Muslim community tends to get money and clerics from foreign countries to build mosques.

And things go bad for a small number of clerics who preach things that are not really compatible at all with the rest of the country.

After that, France is really a rather welcoming country. There are plenty of people who can practice their religion without troubles as long as this covenant is respected:

'There is no other laws in France than the ones of the French Republic'

Still, there are failures in the politic of integration of immigrants in France and this is a big problem but the vast majority lives happily there.

No, I mean the extremist christians who do things like set fire to abortion clinics or shoot doctors who perform abortions, picket the funerals of innocents and say god did it because he hates gays, deny homosexuals equal rights because "god says the gay is evil". All of that kind of horsecrap that actually seems quite prevalent in American christians. How is that kind of obscene behaviour any different to the mullah's who incite hate against non-muslims?

Well, there are some extremist Christians in France but I do not recall that there were murder of doctors or arson of clinics.

However, there have been a very vocal traditionalist Christian/right to extreme-right group against the upcoming law for same-sex marriage.

There was the big demonstration of January 19th in Paris against that law.

According to a poll done after the demonstration, support for the 'Marriage for all' law raised from 60% to 63% and a demonstration for that law last week-end mobilized more people than expected.

This is a funny thing in that country: bigotry withers there, it takes some time but the prejudices disappear one after the other

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^ I should have been more clear, the topic had strayed somewhat and the US was being referenced by then, which is where those things I mentioned, happened.

However, the mods have tidied up since then so we should stick to the topic!

I actually quite like France's stance on this issue, but I won't be surprised if these buggers appear to the EU court of human rights, like they do in the UK when we try to deport the buggers.

"Oh noes! You can't send us back! We'll be persecuted and harmed! Let us stay here so we can keep on trying to <bleep!> your country up!"

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I actually quite like France's stance on this issue, but I won't be surprised if these buggers appear to the EU court of human rights, like they do in the UK when we try to deport the buggers.

"Oh noes! You can't send us back! We'll be persecuted and harmed! Let us stay here so we can keep on trying to <bleep!> your country up!"

They can try and they are going to fail. Most of them are not European citizens so I would be surprised if the EU court of human rights could intervene.

They can try the 'Freedom of speech' stuff but this is unlikely to work either. There are hate speech laws in France and the imams have largely crossed that line.

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Yeah, that's what we said, too.

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Christians do not strap bomb belts on their Children. All of the Christians I know are tolerant of others and don't try to force their Religion on them. Some do that which I am totally against. When they knock on my door and want me to read their literature I get upset. People have a right to believe that as they choose but they do not have the right to force their beliefs on others which is exactly what The French are trying to prevent.

Violence is only one facet of the crimes religious people commit against non religious. When it comes to intolerance and bigotry I don't see Christians behaving that much better than Muslims.

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Violence is only one facet of the crimes religious people commit against non religious. When it comes to intolerance and bigotry I don't see Christians behaving that much better than Muslims.

We do not strap bomb belts on children. France is doing the right thing here. Australia is not taking anything from these people either when they try to tell them what laws to use.

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I never said I disagree with France's decision, I'm just tired of hearing Christians pretend that they're better when they aren't.

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