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I've always said that iPhone is for folks that find smartphones complicated. Thanks for confirming my thoughts :)

if using android makes you feel smarter, by all means, use it.

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Again, way to limited. If you want to use your battery up in 2 hours, you should be able to do it.

My battery time can lasts for ages on my Galaxy Note, but if i want, i can drain the battery in like 2 hours if i want. You can do the same on laptops. It's all up to you to choose what you want to do.

Oh also, i'll guess you see the reason why we also want more bigger phones?

Because the bigger the phone is, the bigger battery you can fit. Witch makes good battery times. Witch makes it good.

My phone drops about 5-8% battery every ten or so minutes playing "The Simpsons: Tapped Out" which is hardly a graphically intensive game. I could easily drain the battery in two hours on that :p

The iPhone's multitasking makes little difference to most users but uses much less battery. They made some wise decisions by implementing push notifications rather than allowing apps to run amok in the background. I can have push everything on, bluetooth on, wifi on, and still easily have 50% left at the end of the day. Battery life is superb and all of this is on a battery half the size of the latest Android behemoths.

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I've used both operating systems extensively. I had a HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy S2, S3 and now an iPhone 5. Also have a Nexus 7 and iPad 2.

I prefer iOS. Sure, there are some cool features in Android but none that I really miss. I'd rather have a smooth experience and decent battery life. I can leave everything on on my iPhone (Bluetooth, WiFi, etc) and it doesn't really affect battery life much, whereas I used to have to enable/disable things when required on Android. I actually invested in NFC Tags and Tasker to simplify the process of toggling settings, but I don't have to do any of that on iOS. "It just works" springs to mind, although that is a cheesy marketing slogan :p

Yes there are some cool features in Android. But why can't we have suchgood features in iOS when they wont even be in the way for those who doesn't want to use those features?

Why limit an OS so much when you know Apple can do things easy even if they add many more good features?

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Yes there are some cool features in Android. But why can't we have suchgood features in iOS when they wont even be in the way for those who doesn't want to use those features?

Why limit an OS so much when you know Apple can do things easy even if they add many more good features?

Why do you want iOS to be like Android when Android exists?

iOS is different to Android. This is a GOOD thing, because it gives users a choice.

iOS is meant to be simple for anybody to use and it accomplishes this pretty well. Android is more of an enthusiast/tinkerer OS.

I don't see why anybody would want either OS to be more like the other. It feels like childish competitiveness.

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My phone drops about 5-8% battery every ten or so minutes playing "The Simpsons: Tapped Out" which is hardly a graphically intensive game. I could easily drain the battery in two hours on that :p

The iPhone's multitasking makes little difference to most users but uses much less battery. They made some wise decisions by implementing push notifications rather than allowing apps to run amok in the background. I can have push everything on, bluetooth on, wifi on, and still easily have 50% left at the end of the day. Battery life is superb and all of this is on a battery half the size of the latest Android behemoths.

The multitasking is way to limited to even be called multitasking.It's called the "Pause Mode" in alot of situations.

Search up a good detailed explaination on YouTube that cantell you why the multitasking in iOS is a dumb multitasking compared to Android's multitasking.

And when we talks about multitasking. Have you seen the crazy good multiview functionality the Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note and Note 2 have?

There you have true multitasking my friend :) .

Why do you want iOS to be like Android when Android exists?

iOS is different to Android. This is a GOOD thing, because it gives users a choice.

iOS is meant to be simple for anybody to use and it accomplishes this pretty well. Android is more of an enthusiast/tinkerer OS.

I don't see why anybody would want either OS to be more like the other. It feels like childish competitiveness.

Do iOS have to be like Android just because we want Apple to add more good and handy features to iOS?

Apple doesn't have to make widgets in the same way as Android does it. They can do it in their own good way.

Doesn't hurt to have more good features added in iOS as long it doesn't comes in the way for those who doesn't want to use those features.

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if using android makes you feel smarter, by all means, use it.

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I can use any OS because I am not scared of something that others find complicated.

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The multitasking is way to limited to even be called multitasking.It's called the "Pause Mode" in alot of situations.

Search up a good detailed explaination on YouTube that cantell you why the multitasking in iOS is a dumb multitasking compared to Android's multitasking.

And when we talks about multitasking. Have you seen the crazy good multiview functionality the Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note and Note 2 have?

There you have true multitasking my friend :) .

We obviously use our smartphones in vastly different ways because I don't find iOS' multitasking lacking. But that's okay, you have your preferred device and I have mine :)

Do iOS have to be like Android just because we want Apple to add more good and handy features to iOS?

Apple doesn't have to make widgets in the same way as Android does it. They can do it in their own good way.

Doesn't hurt to have more good features added in iOS as long it doesn't comes in the way for those who doesn't want to use those features.

Every extra feature (especially things like widgets) adds a level of complexity to the OS. I wouldn't be against widgets, but they may confuse some people. For example, I have seen people panic and flip out because they removed a widget and thought they removed the actual program and data itself. It's never as simple as "let's just add X feature" - there are considerations to be made.

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Every extra feature (especially things like widgets) adds a level of complexity to the OS. I wouldn't be against widgets, but they may confuse some people. For example, I have seen people panic and flip out because they removed a widget and thought they removed the actual program and data itself. It's never as simple as "let's just add X feature" - there are considerations to be made.

Widgets would confuse peoples?

LOL, it sounds like you take the iOS users for being completely dumb. Sorry, had to say it, because that was the first thing i was thinking by reading your reply. The normal users are way more experienced with devices today than you gets us to believe. Just to take an example. Many iOS users today says they don't need the ability to send all types of files over Bluetooth, because the normal user doesn't understand this kind of thing.

The funny thing here is that i could do exactly that back in 2002 on the phone i had that time (Ericsson T68). And pretty much every phone makers except for Nokia at that time had that ability in their phones.

So my point is, don't you think that the normal users would have learned this kind of things in 11-12 years when pretty much every phones (except for Nokia phones) since 2002 and up to today have had that ability?

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I can use any OS because I am not scared of something that others find complicated.

i can too. I don't know of anyone how is actually "scared" to use something. Do you use windows or linux?

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i can too. I don't know of anyone how is actually "scared" to use something. Do you use windows or linux?

GNU/Linux, OS X, and Windows.

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GNU/Linux, OS X, and Windows.

why do you switch between the different ones available? Are you saying that you use which ever one suits what you need it to do?

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why do you switch between the different ones available?

Windows 8 for Windows 8 and WP8 development.

GNU/Linux for AOSP.

OS X for iOS development.

If I had to choose my favorite of all of them, it is GNU/Linux.

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Windows 8 for Windows 8 and WP8 development.

GNU/Linux for AOSP.

OS X for iOS development.

If I had to choose my favorite of all of them, it is GNU/Linux.

this is comparable why some prefer IOS. It works for them and does what they need/want/desire it to do. No need to be more complicated just for the sake of being fancy, new, or cool. It just has to work for what they (and I) use it for. Preference is preference, nothing more, nothing less.

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this is comparable why some prefer IOS. It works for them and does what they need/want/desire it to do. No need to be more complicated just for the sake of being fancy, new, or cool. It just has to work for what they (and I) use it for. Preference is preference, nothing more, nothing less.

I wasn't saying that iOS simplicity is a bad thing, just that I see it a lot that iOS is preferred for those who are intimidated by smartphones.

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Widgets would confuse peoples?

LOL, it sounds like you take the iOS users for being completely dumb. Sorry, had to say it, because that was the first thing i was thinking by reading your reply. The normal users are way more experienced with devices today than you gets us to believe. Just to take an example. Many iOS users today says they don't need the ability to send all types of files over Bluetooth, because the normal user doesn't understand this kind of thing.

The funny thing here is that i could do exactly that back in 2002 on the phone i had that time (Ericsson T68). And pretty much every phone makers except for Nokia at that time had that ability in their phones.

So my point is, don't you think that the normal users would have learned this kind of things in 11-12 years when pretty much every phones (except for Nokia phones) since 2002 and up to today have had that ability?

iOS doesn't have widgets... I was talking about Android users who had got confused and freaked out, not iOS users.

I am a legal secretary and IT support in a small office and I work with solicitors who know next to nothing about technology but need to use it in their jobs. I get asked lots of questions every day, a lot of them very basic. People who don't know about computers/technology aren't necessarily dumb, they just don't know about computers/technology.

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I wasn't saying that iOS simplicity is a bad thing, just that I see it a lot that iOS is preferred for those who are intimidated by smartphones.

i don't think intimidated is the correct word, i would say "don't-give-a-damn-about-certain-stuff-that-doesn't-effect-me" is more accurate. to some, yes they need to know that the Play app used .62 of a meg. But most would just say "meh".

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Apple leaped so far ahead of the competition when they released the iPhone.

With no copy and paste? No MMS? I could go on, but those 2 things stuck out the most.

Apple didn't leap far ahead, they had a great marketing idea and managed to sell it well, that's all.

Woz is right, Apple have fallen behind - further.

I hope the engineer in him wins out! :)

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The last time I checked a phone is mainly a communication device. As far as I know both iOS and Android (And WP) excel at it.

If you guys want to treat your phones as toys, be my guest but a system should not be 'exciting', but functional.

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The last time I checked a phone is mainly a communication device. As far as I know both iOS and Android (And WP) excel at it.

If you guys want to treat your phones as toys, be my guest but a system should not be 'exciting', but functional.

Hehe, when you say that, i would say this.

This is iOS: http://img.alibaba.com/img/pb/085/745/214/1240792493637jpg.jpg

This is Android: http://cdn.overclock.net/3/3c/3c85f686_taskforce.jpeg

Both is a tool. But one have more options to make the work more easier to do.

In the same way as using 15 mins out of your life to set up an Android phone with your amazing tool box YOUR way, so it can work better for you each days.

Sure, iOS works good out of the box, but if you set up Android YOUR way, it will work MUCH MUCH better after that.

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Hehe, when you say that, i would say this.

This is iOS: http://img.alibaba.c...92493637jpg.jpg

This is Android: http://cdn.overclock..._taskforce.jpeg

Both is a tool. But one have more options to make the work more easier to do.

In the same way as using 15 mins out of your life to set up an Android phone with your amazing tool box YOUR way, so it can work better for you each days.

Sure, iOS works good out of the box, but if you set up Android YOUR way, it will work MUCH MUCH better after that.

Did you consider possibly that IOS is already set up for me (and millions of others) out of the box? I imagine that is where the phrase "it just works" comes from. Not in the sense of what some people take it as, but rather, just pick it up and use it.
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Sure, iOS works good out of the box, but if you set up Android YOUR way, it will work MUCH MUCH better after that.

Well, I dont know about you. But I dont have the time nor the mood to experiment with every possible combination of toolsets in Android to find what suits me better. I prefer to do other things.

Not saying Android is a waste of time (I have owned two Android phones, one I loved it, the HTC One X) but please, dont pretend everyone has the time or the itch to try every possible app.

So, in a nutshell a Smartphone NEEDS:

A way to make phone calls: Both Android and iOS have that.

A way to send a receive ams: Both Android and iOS have that.

A way to send and receive emails: Both Android and iOS have that.

Alternative communication apps like whatsapp, facebook messenger or skype: Both Android and iOS have that.

A capable web browser: Both Android and iOS have that.

Note taking and voice taking: Both Android and iOS have that.

A weather app: Both Android and iOS have that.

A virtual voice assistant (This is a stretch, a smartphone does not really need it): Both Android and iOS have that.

So no, I don't see how iOS simplicity makes my work any harder either. It's what I use for work now.

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The last time I checked a phone is mainly a communication device. As far as I know both iOS and Android (And WP) excel at it.

If you guys want to treat your phones as toys, be my guest but a system should not be 'exciting', but functional.

I treat my smartphone as a mobile computer that can take calls.

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I treat my smartphone as a mobile computer that can take calls.

Good, a smartphone certainly can do that, but that's your prerogative, but don't act like it should be the prerogative of everyone.

Even a full fledged computer can be minimal, as Windows 8, OS X, Crunchbag Linux and Elementary have taught us.

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Good, a smartphone certainly can do that, but that's your prerogative, but don't act like it should be the prerogative of everyone.

Even a full fledged computer can be minimal, as Windows 8, OS X, Crunchbag Linux and Elementary have taught us.

If someone needs minimal, there are feature phones, too. I am not seeing the relevance of your argument.

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Did you consider possibly that IOS is already set up for me (and millions of others) out of the box? I imagine that is where the phrase "it just works" comes from. Not in the sense of what some people take it as, but rather, just pick it up and use it.

Just because iOS works good for you out of the box, it doesn't mean it will be the same for MANY others. You will still be able to get a much better results if you set up an Android phone. No brands knows what's the best way for it's users to use their phones. It's only you that knows that.

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