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#31 adrynalyne

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:53

if using android makes you feel smarter, by all means, use it.
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I can use any OS because I am not scared of something that others find complicated.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:58

The multitasking is way to limited to even be called multitasking.It's called the "Pause Mode" in alot of situations.

Search up a good detailed explaination on YouTube that cantell you why the multitasking in iOS is a dumb multitasking compared to Android's multitasking.

And when we talks about multitasking. Have you seen the crazy good multiview functionality the Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note and Note 2 have?

There you have true multitasking my friend :) .


We obviously use our smartphones in vastly different ways because I don't find iOS' multitasking lacking. But that's okay, you have your preferred device and I have mine :)

Do iOS have to be like Android just because we want Apple to add more good and handy features to iOS?

Apple doesn't have to make widgets in the same way as Android does it. They can do it in their own good way.

Doesn't hurt to have more good features added in iOS as long it doesn't comes in the way for those who doesn't want to use those features.


Every extra feature (especially things like widgets) adds a level of complexity to the OS. I wouldn't be against widgets, but they may confuse some people. For example, I have seen people panic and flip out because they removed a widget and thought they removed the actual program and data itself. It's never as simple as "let's just add X feature" - there are considerations to be made.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:07

Every extra feature (especially things like widgets) adds a level of complexity to the OS. I wouldn't be against widgets, but they may confuse some people. For example, I have seen people panic and flip out because they removed a widget and thought they removed the actual program and data itself. It's never as simple as "let's just add X feature" - there are considerations to be made.


Widgets would confuse peoples?

LOL, it sounds like you take the iOS users for being completely dumb. Sorry, had to say it, because that was the first thing i was thinking by reading your reply. The normal users are way more experienced with devices today than you gets us to believe. Just to take an example. Many iOS users today says they don't need the ability to send all types of files over Bluetooth, because the normal user doesn't understand this kind of thing.

The funny thing here is that i could do exactly that back in 2002 on the phone i had that time (Ericsson T68). And pretty much every phone makers except for Nokia at that time had that ability in their phones.

So my point is, don't you think that the normal users would have learned this kind of things in 11-12 years when pretty much every phones (except for Nokia phones) since 2002 and up to today have had that ability?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:20

I can use any OS because I am not scared of something that others find complicated.

i can too. I don't know of anyone how is actually "scared" to use something. Do you use windows or linux?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:29

i can too. I don't know of anyone how is actually "scared" to use something. Do you use windows or linux?


GNU/Linux, OS X, and Windows.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:31

GNU/Linux, OS X, and Windows.

why do you switch between the different ones available? Are you saying that you use which ever one suits what you need it to do?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:35

why do you switch between the different ones available?


Windows 8 for Windows 8 and WP8 development.
GNU/Linux for AOSP.
OS X for iOS development.

If I had to choose my favorite of all of them, it is GNU/Linux.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:40

Windows 8 for Windows 8 and WP8 development.
GNU/Linux for AOSP.
OS X for iOS development.

If I had to choose my favorite of all of them, it is GNU/Linux.

this is comparable why some prefer IOS. It works for them and does what they need/want/desire it to do. No need to be more complicated just for the sake of being fancy, new, or cool. It just has to work for what they (and I) use it for. Preference is preference, nothing more, nothing less.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:42

this is comparable why some prefer IOS. It works for them and does what they need/want/desire it to do. No need to be more complicated just for the sake of being fancy, new, or cool. It just has to work for what they (and I) use it for. Preference is preference, nothing more, nothing less.


I wasn't saying that iOS simplicity is a bad thing, just that I see it a lot that iOS is preferred for those who are intimidated by smartphones.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:49

Widgets would confuse peoples?

LOL, it sounds like you take the iOS users for being completely dumb. Sorry, had to say it, because that was the first thing i was thinking by reading your reply. The normal users are way more experienced with devices today than you gets us to believe. Just to take an example. Many iOS users today says they don't need the ability to send all types of files over Bluetooth, because the normal user doesn't understand this kind of thing.

The funny thing here is that i could do exactly that back in 2002 on the phone i had that time (Ericsson T68). And pretty much every phone makers except for Nokia at that time had that ability in their phones.

So my point is, don't you think that the normal users would have learned this kind of things in 11-12 years when pretty much every phones (except for Nokia phones) since 2002 and up to today have had that ability?


iOS doesn't have widgets... I was talking about Android users who had got confused and freaked out, not iOS users.

I am a legal secretary and IT support in a small office and I work with solicitors who know next to nothing about technology but need to use it in their jobs. I get asked lots of questions every day, a lot of them very basic. People who don't know about computers/technology aren't necessarily dumb, they just don't know about computers/technology.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:50

I wasn't saying that iOS simplicity is a bad thing, just that I see it a lot that iOS is preferred for those who are intimidated by smartphones.

i don't think intimidated is the correct word, i would say "don't-give-a-damn-about-certain-stuff-that-doesn't-effect-me" is more accurate. to some, yes they need to know that the Play app used .62 of a meg. But most would just say "meh".

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 22:16

Apple leaped so far ahead of the competition when they released the iPhone.

With no copy and paste? No MMS? I could go on, but those 2 things stuck out the most.
Apple didn't leap far ahead, they had a great marketing idea and managed to sell it well, that's all.

Woz is right, Apple have fallen behind - further.
I hope the engineer in him wins out! :)

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 22:19

The last time I checked a phone is mainly a communication device. As far as I know both iOS and Android (And WP) excel at it.

If you guys want to treat your phones as toys, be my guest but a system should not be 'exciting', but functional.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 22:30

The last time I checked a phone is mainly a communication device. As far as I know both iOS and Android (And WP) excel at it.

If you guys want to treat your phones as toys, be my guest but a system should not be 'exciting', but functional.


Hehe, when you say that, i would say this.

This is iOS: http://img.alibaba.c...92493637jpg.jpg

This is Android: http://cdn.overclock..._taskforce.jpeg

Both is a tool. But one have more options to make the work more easier to do.

In the same way as using 15 mins out of your life to set up an Android phone with your amazing tool box YOUR way, so it can work better for you each days.

Sure, iOS works good out of the box, but if you set up Android YOUR way, it will work MUCH MUCH better after that.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 22:36

Hehe, when you say that, i would say this.

This is iOS: http://img.alibaba.c...92493637jpg.jpg

This is Android: http://cdn.overclock..._taskforce.jpeg

Both is a tool. But one have more options to make the work more easier to do.

In the same way as using 15 mins out of your life to set up an Android phone with your amazing tool box YOUR way, so it can work better for you each days.

Sure, iOS works good out of the box, but if you set up Android YOUR way, it will work MUCH MUCH better after that.

Did you consider possibly that IOS is already set up for me (and millions of others) out of the box? I imagine that is where the phrase "it just works" comes from. Not in the sense of what some people take it as, but rather, just pick it up and use it.



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