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  1. 1. Do you want the start menu in Windows 8?

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Yes, or least a way to change it back without third party software.. Yeah yeah I know.. all things change blah blah blah.. but i simply just like it when I am on windows.. what if osx got rid of the dock and went to a start menu.. it would be annoying to ME. just ME..

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I think I can say now this: There are enough samples already and the result has stabilized around 55% for those who want the startmenu back and 45% for those who don't, (quite obvious since they are mutually exclusive), a nice probability distribution has been formed... thus I doubt the results with change, overall this shows one thing, Microsoft just wanted the hell of a bit more than half of the users just because they wanted a piece of the money pie that is touch devices.

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[quote name='Arceles' timestamp='1361523862' post='595536354']
I think I can say now this: There are enough samples already and the result has stabilized around 55% for those who want the startmenu back and 45% for those who don't, (quite obvious since they are mutually exclusive), a nice probability distribution has been formed... thus I doubt the results with change, overall this shows one thing, Microsoft just wanted the hell of a bit more than half of the users just because they wanted a piece of the money pie that is touch devices.
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This isn't a random sampling of Windows 8 users, which would make it a much more accurate gauge of reality.

The likelihood is that most people who are happy with Windows 8 and don't care about the Start menu at all didn't even bother voting on or reading this topic. In fact, at least one poster has admitted that they've only used Windows 8 in a VM for a brief period, and they probably voted "Yes".

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why not. bring back the start menu lol.

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[quote name='thomastmc' timestamp='1361525710' post='595536392']The likelihood is that [b]most people who are happy with Windows 8 and don't care about the Start menu at all didn't even bother voting[/b] on or reading this topic. In fact, at least one poster has admitted that they've only used Windows 8 in a VM for a brief period, and they probably voted "Yes".[/quote]

Do you have any evidence to support that statement?
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Is it just me or what, but I don't have an issue with Windows 8 Start Button. I'm sorry to sound negative, but what is wrong with not having the Start Button. You still have access to all your software and apps within Windows so why do you need a Start Button when everything you need is at hand better than it was with Windows 7, its just more organised that's all. It's still there, but not in the way it used to be. I haven't an issue with the Start Button not being there. Screaming at Microsoft wont bring back the Start Button. I thought Stardock has resolved this issue. You could learn the basic shortcut commands. Press F1 type in shortcuts... :)

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[quote name='MC GEEK' timestamp='1361528043' post='595536430']
Is it just me or what, but I don't have an issue with Windows 8 Start Button. I'm sorry to sound negative, but what is wrong with not having the Start Button. You still have access to all your software and apps within Windows so why do you need a Start Button when everything you need is at hand better than it was with Windows 7, its just more organised that's all. It's still there, but not in the way it used to be. I haven't an issue with the Start Button not being there. Screaming at Microsoft wont bring back the Start Button. I thought Stardock has resolved this issue. You could learn the basic shortcut commands. Press F1 type in shortcuts... :)
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The point of this post is to show how microsoft literally shoved us their new OS wether we liked it or not with the only goal to increase money using the touch approach, the excuse before was that it was too new for all the users to settle into an opinion, this shows otherwise and also proves that the pro non-startbutton are not immense majority as they thought to be.
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[quote name='Setnom' timestamp='1361527241' post='595536416']
Do you have any evidence to support that statement?
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It's common sense, first of all... It's human nature.

This is a phenomena that was first observed at least a couple of millennia ago. More recently it has been observed by psychology and neuroscience.

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[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_attention"][b]Selective attention[/b][/url] Research shows that people pay more attention to negative issues. Since humans can only focus on one message at a time, due to selective attention, the negative message becomes more profound.

Negative information is more credible than positive information. Since there is a strong normative pressure to say positive things, the person who says something negative is the one who is more likely to seem sincere.

Humans have a very hard time enjoying the positive attributes of an object or event when there is a negative attribute clinging to that same object or event. For example, if an iPhone screen is cracked, then it is a cracked iPhone and no longer a great and fabulous iPhone.

[i]Evidence[/i]

Hamlin et al. researched three-month olds and found that they process negativity just as adults do. This suggests that the negativity bias is instinctual in humans and not a conscious decision.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias#cite_note-6"][size=2][6][/size][/url][/sup]

John Cacioppo showed his participants pictures that he knew would arouse positive feelings, negative feelings, and neutral feelings. He recorded electrical activity in the brain

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I guess that's possible, and I apologize if I'm wrong, but it seemed to me you were dismissing the results of the poll because you might not agree with them.

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I get used to the new way of walking :) Use tiles and pins

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All of you guys that are saying the start screen is better than Windows 7's Start Menu ever was, that is just ridiculous.

I have said it many times, I prefer the old menu because it has everything in folders. I have a lot of programs, so having them ALL appear (including the links, readmes, and that stuff) at the same time is not very useful.

I like things to be organized, which the start screen is not unless you spend hours grouping things. Even after that, All Programs view is a complete mess.

I do this same thing with paperwork. For example, I have a main Insurance folder. Inside there I have folders for type of insurance (medical, home, ...). Inside one of those, I have more folders based on the company.

It is called being organized.

Even though I have said many times I like Windows 8, I am still being attacked for my minor complaints I have with it. This is getting ridiculous.

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[quote name='xWhiplash' timestamp='1361550894' post='595537050']
It is called being organized.
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Yeah, I like being organized too. ;)

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(BTW, for future reference, Start Screen != All Apps. If you're going to compare the two, then you should be comparing Start to the little space you have to pins apps to, and not the All Programs menu. If you like folders, then app grouping should be up your alley. I'm not sure why you still prefer to run around in the all apps menu, but with Start being fullscreen, you have more room to pin and organize your stuff, which should eliminate the need to ever visit the all apps section. Even on Windows 7, All Programs is no saint - it's cramped, cluttered, and featureless.)

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The all programs menu does exactly what it's supposed to. It lists the programs you have installed in alphabetical order and displays their folders correctly. It's the start screen that's a cluttered and annoying mess. I don't need it to wipe my arse and do my taxes, I use it for what it's meant to be used for: to launch applications

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[quote name='Javik' timestamp='1361560711' post='595537318']
The all programs menu does exactly what it's supposed to. It lists the programs you have installed in alphabetical order and displays their folders correctly. It's the start screen that's a cluttered and annoying mess. I don't need it to wipe my arse and do my taxes, I use it for what it's meant to be used for: to launch applications
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Again, then why trample through it? Pin your apps and be done with it... There are multiple ways to access and organize your apps without needing the All Apps menu.

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[quote name='Dot Matrix' timestamp='1361561128' post='595537326']
Again, then why trample through it? Pin your apps and be done with it... There are multiple ways to access and organize your apps without needing the All Apps menu.
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What about the cluster **** of the start screen before you go through and delete all the stupid crap (icons) applications put on there. By default, its a total mess.

Sure you can go through and make order of the mess and make it look pretty, but the start menu didn't have that problem...

[img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/210/491595737_31ee926a9a_m.jpg[/img]

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[quote name='warwagon' timestamp='1361561256' post='595537334']
What about the cluster **** of the start screen before you go through and delete all the stupid crap (icons) applications put on there. By default, its a total mess.

[b]Sure you can go through and make order of the mess and make it look pretty[/b]
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[img]http://robinbrown.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/sisko-facepalm1.jpg[/img]


[quote name='warwagon' timestamp='1361561256' post='595537334']
but the start menu didn't have that problem...
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You also couldn't customize the menu at all. You're stuck with its default behavior. If you guys install half of the apps you claim you do, how is digging around in a cramped menu 1/10th the size of your screen this epic thing you make it out to be? I abhorred it then, and I abhor it now. Running XP, Vista, and 7, I used a dock. The Start Menu needed to die after we moved away from 1024x768 screens.

You don't call digging around in those folders and subfolders a mess? Please... It's archaic to be doing that anymore.

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[quote name='Dot Matrix' timestamp='1361562328' post='595537352']
[img]http://robinbrown.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/sisko-facepalm1.jpg[/img]




You also couldn't customize the menu at all. You're stuck with its default behavior. If you guys install half of the apps you claim you do, how is digging around in a cramped menu 1/10th the size of your screen this epic thing you make it out to be? I abhorred it then, and I abhor it now. Running XP, Vista, and 7, I used a dock. The Start Menu needed to die after we moved away from 1024x768 screens.

You don't call digging around in those folders and subfolders a mess? Please... It'sarchaic to be doing that anymore.
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In the Start Menu each program consists of a single sub folder. You then scroll through the alphabetized list to what you want. The All programs list in the Start screen is a cluster ****.

[quote]You also couldn't customize the menu at all.[/quote]

Why do I want to customize it, it just works. The fact that you say you have to customize the start screen means that by default it doesn't just work. Well ok, it might work, but without customizing it's a cluster ****.
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[quote name='warwagon' timestamp='1361565152' post='595537412']
In the Start Menu each program consists of a single sub folder. You then scroll through the alphabetized list to what you want. The All programs list in the Start screen is a cluster ****.
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It's the same with the Windows 8 All Apps menu. Also, some things are hidden in subfolders of sub folders. Go to accessories, and you'll see what I mean.


[quote name='warwagon' timestamp='1361565152' post='595537412']
Why do I want to customize it, it works. The fact that you say you have to customize the start screen means that by default it doesn't just work. Well ok, it might work, but without customizing it's a cluster ****.
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Ok, this is a cluster ****, how?
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/Windows_8_Start_Screen.png[/img]

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Nice job showing a start screen with no other programs installed. Install Office 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Visual Studio 2012, Adobe CS5, Adobe CS6. Then come back with a screen shot WITH NO MODIFICATIONS. It is a COMPLETE MESS.

And that is just a small set of programs I install.
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[quote name='xWhiplash' timestamp='1361570906' post='595537556']
Nice job showing a start screen with no other programs installed. Install Office 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Visual Studio 2012, Adobe CS5, Adobe CS6. Then come back with a screen shot WITH NO MODIFICATIONS. It is a COMPLETE MESS.

And that is just a small set of programs I install.
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Well, I just did install 2010, as a matter of fact. Such a mess! 6 whole tiles, damn you Start Screen! :rolleyes:

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As for VS, if you have a user installing VS, then you have a user who knows that in a few clicks, and ten seconds, that "clutter" can be dealt with. Again, such a tragedy. Yeah, **** this mess, we should just kill this off because clearly, a few clicks and ten seconds of your time is too much for you to handle.

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[quote name='Dot Matrix' timestamp='1361551600' post='595537092'](BTW, for future reference, Start Screen != All Apps. If you're going to compare the two, then you should be comparing Start to the little space you have to pins apps to, and not the All Programs menu. If you like folders, then app grouping should be up your alley. I'm not sure why you still prefer to run around in the all apps menu, but with Start being fullscreen, you have more room to pin and organize your stuff, which should eliminate the need to ever visit the all apps section. Even on Windows 7, All Programs is no saint - it's cramped, cluttered, and featureless.)[/quote]

I have literally just started on Windows 7 today (coming from XP in a corporate environment). I love the new quirks and everything else. However, what I am quoting is an [b]individual idea[/b]. It's that simple. For some people it works, for others I can only imagine the hell I'm going to have to deal with.

Is the end user wrong by pointing out that their system no longer works the way they are used to? No. Am I supposed to turn around to those end users and say, "too bad, this is the future"? I will no longer have a job if I say that.

I appreciate progression. My major point is that - being the inbetweener - people do not want this jarring change. And that is what Windows 8 is. It's a complete change for many end users, and it is me that ends up trying to help them to do a day-to-day task.

That's wrong.
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But the point is, the Start Menu had everything all nice and organized where the Start Screen does not.....how can you guys not see that?!
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[quote name='Intrinsica' timestamp='1361573307' post='595537632']
I have literally just started on Windows 7 today (coming from XP in a corporate environment). I love the new quirks and everything else. However, what I am quoting is an [b]individual idea[/b]. It's that simple. For some people it works, for others I can only imagine the hell I'm going to have to deal with.

Is the end user wrong by pointing out that their system no longer works the way they are used to? No. Am I supposed to turn around to those end users and say, "too bad, this is the future"? I will no longer have a job if I say that.

I appreciate progression. My major point is that - being the inbetweener - people do not want this jarring change. And that is what Windows 8 is. It's a complete change for many end users, and it is me that ends up trying to help them to do a day-to-day task.

That's wrong.
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And coming off XP, you think it won't be any different? By the time you upgrade again past Windows 7, chances are your user base will have been exposed to Windows 8 if not already. They'll have it at home, seen a friend with it, etc.


[quote name='xWhiplash' timestamp='1361573467' post='595537640']
But the point is, the Start Menu had everything all nice and organized where the Start Screen does not.....how can you guys not see that?!
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And again, what part of Start isn't organized? I have shown you that it's not an issue, but you cannot point to a solid example that no matter what the user does, the Start Screen is hopelessly broken, and you cannot find a thing.

When I first move into a new place, it's not organized, is it? I have to take the time and organize it. It's the same with your devices.

When I look at my Start Screen, I see organization. I took the time to make my app launcher MY app launcher. That's what you're supposed to do.
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[quote name='Dot Matrix' timestamp='1361572323' post='595537610']

As for VS, if you have a user installing VS, then you have a user who knows that in a few clicks, and ten seconds, that "clutter" can be dealt with. Again, such a tragedy. Yeah, **** this mess, we should just kill this off because clearly, a few clicks and ten seconds of your time is too much for you to handle.
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But I thought you were telling us that it was more organised out of the box, which it isn't!
Also wonder how you would achieve that if the right click menu was also gone.

But that's okay, you keep telling me that it's easier. I'll keep believing that it isn't.

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[quote name='hedleigh' timestamp='1361578807' post='595537782']


But I thought you were telling us that it was more organised out of the box, which it isn't!
Also wonder how you would achieve that if the right click menu was also gone.

But that's okay, you keep telling me that it's easier. I'll keep believing that it isn't.
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you failed to read that post at all. I wasn't killing the right click menu at all. And look a few posts above, how is the default start screen disorganized?

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