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[MC GEEK]

Is it just me or what, but I don't have an issue with Windows 8 Start Button. I'm sorry to sound negative, but what is wrong with not having the Start Button. You still have access to all your software and apps within Windows so why do you need a Start Button when everything you need is at hand better than it was with Windows 7, its just more organised that's all. It's still there, but not in the way it used to be. I haven't an issue with the Start Button not being there. Screaming at Microsoft wont bring back the Start Button. I thought Stardock has resolved this issue. You could learn the basic shortcut commands. Press F1 type in shortcuts...

[Arceles]

MC GEEK, on 22 February 2013 - 10:14, said:

Is it just me or what, but I don't have an issue with Windows 8 Start Button. I'm sorry to sound negative, but what is wrong with not having the Start Button. You still have access to all your software and apps within Windows so why do you need a Start Button when everything you need is at hand better than it was with Windows 7, its just more organised that's all. It's still there, but not in the way it used to be. I haven't an issue with the Start Button not being there. Screaming at Microsoft wont bring back the Start Button. I thought Stardock has resolved this issue. You could learn the basic shortcut commands. Press F1 type in shortcuts...

The point of this post is to show how microsoft literally shoved us their new OS wether we liked it or not with the only goal to increase money using the touch approach, the excuse before was that it was too new for all the users to settle into an opinion, this shows otherwise and also proves that the pro non-startbutton are not immense majority as they thought to be.

[thomastmc]

Setnom, on 22 February 2013 - 10:00, said:

Do you have any evidence to support that statement?

It's common sense, first of all... It's human nature.

This is a phenomena that was first observed at least a couple of millennia ago. More recently it has been observed by psychology and neuroscience.

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Selective attention Research shows that people pay more attention to negative issues. Since humans can only focus on one message at a time, due to selective attention, the negative message becomes more profound.

Negative information is more credible than positive information. Since there is a strong normative pressure to say positive things, the person who says something negative is the one who is more likely to seem sincere.

Humans have a very hard time enjoying the positive attributes of an object or event when there is a negative attribute clinging to that same object or event. For example, if an iPhone screen is cracked, then it is a cracked iPhone and no longer a great and fabulous iPhone.

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Hamlin et al. researched three-month olds and found that they process negativity just as adults do. This suggests that the negativity bias is instinctual in humans and not a conscious decision.^[6]

John Cacioppo showed his participants pictures that he knew would arouse positive feelings, negative feelings, and neutral feelings. He recorded electrical activity in the brain’s cerebral cortex to show the information processing taking place. This demonstration showed that the participants’ electrical activity was stronger towards the negative stimuli compared to the positive or neutral stimuli.^[7]

Researchers have found that children and adults have a greater recall of unpleasant memories compared with positive memories. Adults and children can recall the detailed descriptions of unpleasant behaviors compared with positive memories. As humans, we learn faster when we have negative reinforcement.^[8]

Most everyone has pleasant experiences with dogs throughout their life; however if someone has one experience with a dog attacking or biting him, then they will most likely be scared of dogs and rely more heavily on the unpleasant experience than the many pleasant experiences.^[11]

http://en.wikipedia....Negativity_bias

[Setnom]

I guess that's possible, and I apologize if I'm wrong, but it seemed to me you were dismissing the results of the poll because you might not agree with them.

[kenjj]

I get used to the new way of walking Use tiles and pins

[xWhiplash]

All of you guys that are saying the start screen is better than Windows 7's Start Menu ever was, that is just ridiculous.

I have said it many times, I prefer the old menu because it has everything in folders. I have a lot of programs, so having them ALL appear (including the links, readmes, and that stuff) at the same time is not very useful.

I like things to be organized, which the start screen is not unless you spend hours grouping things. Even after that, All Programs view is a complete mess.

I do this same thing with paperwork. For example, I have a main Insurance folder. Inside there I have folders for type of insurance (medical, home, ...). Inside one of those, I have more folders based on the company.

It is called being organized.

Even though I have said many times I like Windows 8, I am still being attacked for my minor complaints I have with it. This is getting ridiculous.

[Dot Matrix]

xWhiplash, on 22 February 2013 - 16:34, said:

It is called being organized.

Yeah, I like being organized too.




(BTW, for future reference, Start Screen != All Apps. If you're going to compare the two, then you should be comparing Start to the little space you have to pins apps to, and not the All Programs menu. If you like folders, then app grouping should be up your alley. I'm not sure why you still prefer to run around in the all apps menu, but with Start being fullscreen, you have more room to pin and organize your stuff, which should eliminate the need to ever visit the all apps section. Even on Windows 7, All Programs is no saint - it's cramped, cluttered, and featureless.)

[Javik]

The all programs menu does exactly what it's supposed to. It lists the programs you have installed in alphabetical order and displays their folders correctly. It's the start screen that's a cluttered and annoying mess. I don't need it to wipe my arse and do my taxes, I use it for what it's meant to be used for: to launch applications

[Dot Matrix]

Javik, on 22 February 2013 - 19:18, said:

The all programs menu does exactly what it's supposed to. It lists the programs you have installed in alphabetical order and displays their folders correctly. It's the start screen that's a cluttered and annoying mess. I don't need it to wipe my arse and do my taxes, I use it for what it's meant to be used for: to launch applications

Again, then why trample through it? Pin your apps and be done with it... There are multiple ways to access and organize your apps without needing the All Apps menu.

[warwagon]

Dot Matrix, on 22 February 2013 - 19:25, said:

Again, then why trample through it? Pin your apps and be done with it... There are multiple ways to access and organize your apps without needing the All Apps menu.

What about the cluster **** of the start screen before you go through and delete all the stupid crap (icons) applications put on there. By default, its a total mess.

Sure you can go through and make order of the mess and make it look pretty, but the start menu didn't have that problem...

[Dot Matrix]

warwagon, on 22 February 2013 - 19:27, said:

What about the cluster **** of the start screen before you go through and delete all the stupid crap (icons) applications put on there. By default, its a total mess.

Sure you can go through and make order of the mess and make it look pretty

warwagon, on 22 February 2013 - 19:27, said:

but the start menu didn't have that problem...

You also couldn't customize the menu at all. You're stuck with its default behavior. If you guys install half of the apps you claim you do, how is digging around in a cramped menu 1/10th the size of your screen this epic thing you make it out to be? I abhorred it then, and I abhor it now. Running XP, Vista, and 7, I used a dock. The Start Menu needed to die after we moved away from 1024x768 screens.

You don't call digging around in those folders and subfolders a mess? Please... It's archaic to be doing that anymore.

[warwagon]

Dot Matrix, on 22 February 2013 - 19:45, said:

You also couldn't customize the menu at all. You're stuck with its default behavior. If you guys install half of the apps you claim you do, how is digging around in a cramped menu 1/10th the size of your screen this epic thing you make it out to be? I abhorred it then, and I abhor it now. Running XP, Vista, and 7, I used a dock. The Start Menu needed to die after we moved away from 1024x768 screens.

You don't call digging around in those folders and subfolders a mess? Please... It'sarchaic to be doing that anymore.

In the Start Menu each program consists of a single sub folder. You then scroll through the alphabetized list to what you want. The All programs list in the Start screen is a cluster ****.

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You also couldn't customize the menu at all.

Why do I want to customize it, it just works. The fact that you say you have to customize the start screen means that by default it doesn't just work. Well ok, it might work, but without customizing it's a cluster ****.

[Dot Matrix]

warwagon, on 22 February 2013 - 20:32, said:

In the Start Menu each program consists of a single sub folder. You then scroll through the alphabetized list to what you want. The All programs list in the Start screen is a cluster ****.

It's the same with the Windows 8 All Apps menu. Also, some things are hidden in subfolders of sub folders. Go to accessories, and you'll see what I mean.

warwagon, on 22 February 2013 - 20:32, said:

Why do I want to customize it, it works. The fact that you say you have to customize the start screen means that by default it doesn't just work. Well ok, it might work, but without customizing it's a cluster ****.

Ok, this is a cluster ****, how?

[xWhiplash]

Nice job showing a start screen with no other programs installed. Install Office 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Visual Studio 2012, Adobe CS5, Adobe CS6. Then come back with a screen shot WITH NO MODIFICATIONS. It is a COMPLETE MESS.

And that is just a small set of programs I install.

[Dot Matrix]

xWhiplash, on 22 February 2013 - 22:08, said:

Nice job showing a start screen with no other programs installed. Install Office 2010, Visual Studio 2010, Visual Studio 2012, Adobe CS5, Adobe CS6. Then come back with a screen shot WITH NO MODIFICATIONS. It is a COMPLETE MESS.

And that is just a small set of programs I install.

Well, I just did install 2010, as a matter of fact. Such a mess! 6 whole tiles, damn you Start Screen!



As for VS, if you have a user installing VS, then you have a user who knows that in a few clicks, and ten seconds, that "clutter" can be dealt with. Again, such a tragedy. Yeah, **** this mess, we should just kill this off because clearly, a few clicks and ten seconds of your time is too much for you to handle.