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#46 +Yorak

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:47

This country is becoming a nation of cry-babies. You do not like racism? Great, most normal people do not. So therefore, do not be racist. I think the vast majority of religion is absolutely useless, but I do support the right to believe and practice what you want as long as it is not physically harming others. If somebody wants to be hateful, it is on them.

Let me just mention though that these sort of issues tend to work themselves out. Sure, you may find a highly concentrated group of racist rednecks somewhere in Texas gathering their KKK members for a rally. Very rarely, though. Society tends to separate these people before they are even able to separate themselves. Good luck getting a decent job as an outspoken racist. Even where I live, there are probably no more than a handful of non-whites in a 10-mile radius, but you can guarantee racism is not tolerated.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:17

Hey yeah just like the ban on drugs. Hows that's working out again?

#48 Nick H.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:25

I'm intrigued. How would this come about? I mean, how would it be enforced? What gets classed as racism? If I sit here and say, "I am white" am I being racist? If someone after me then says, "you are white" are they being racist?

Basically, the idea of racism is vague when trying to apply general rules, and even if it wasn't vague, there would be little way to prevent it. I'm not saying that I want racism to continue, I'm just saying that a petition to the White House doesn't sound like it's going to do much to change things.

EDIT: I just went to the webpage to see if there was any other information. The information that jumped out at me was the following: Total signatures on this petition: 2

It looks like I'm not alone in my thinking that this is an impossible task to implement.

#49 Dutchie64

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:58

Racism isn't just about skin color, it's part of the human psyche. It's in our behavior, part of our species, like in the rest of the animal kingdom.

Look at young kids at a playground. At a certain age they start to realise the other kid is 'different'.
Doesn't have to be different skin color, but differently dressed, talks different, hair color etc. etc. etc.
That kid is taken out of the group, ignored and bullied if worse.

Is that rasicm... yes. And it happens all over the globe.
Different part of town, you get the looks. Different city, you get the looks. Different country... etc. etc.

There's NO way to get that out of our society and culture, as it is part of what we are, human.

#50 Javik

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:05

minimum wage jobs were never meant to be careers, that fallacy has been force fed to us for awhile. anyone without the ambition, who's willing to settle into an entry level job without seeking to improve their circumstance, doesn't deserve more money.

but back to the topic, there's no way either side would ever agree to something like banning thought. we'd all give up our freedoms the moment we decide what people should say or think.


So you'd be cool with me burning a bible? And just FYI some people don't have the skills to do more than entry level jobs. The republican utopia of a country where everybody's rich is economically impossible. Entry level jobs make up the bulk of a workforce, they will always be needed especially in service industries and somebody has to do them. Not everyone has the ability to become a CEO or executive, and most people doing entry level jobs work far harder than most pen pushers anyway. The fact they're low end jobs doesn't mean people should not be entitled to the same rights as everyone else.

#51 Cheatyface

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 20:39

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  • To make or distribute obscene materials.
    Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957)


oh, 1957, you so prudish! lol

This has been revisited multiple times since then and guess what? Free speech/expression DOES include this little bit here. Don't know if you noticed but there's a whole industry based on this that makes billions every year.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 21:03

Sign my petition to ban everything I disagree with!

#53 FlintyV

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 21:20

Don't see why everyone's "OMG FREE SPEECH IZ SACRED" when they're already limitations on it.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 21:22

Love and Hate are both side of the coin, you can't 100% love without any hate. To think the opposite is hypocrisy and we are full of hypocrites.

For example, if you really love your country then, sooner or later, you will start hating other countries (and foreigners).
However, there are a big difference between to "not to like something" and "grab guns and start killing people".

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:50

EDIT: I just went to the webpage to see if there was any other information. The information that jumped out at me was the following: Total signatures on this petition: 2


Wow, just 2? That's an epic fail right there in itself.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:31

People should have free speech as long as they are not intending to use it to harm any human being.

Freedom of speech does not include the right:

  • To incite actions that would harm others.
    Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).
  • To make or distribute obscene materials.
    Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957).
  • To burn draft cards as an anti-war protest.
    United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968).
  • To permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over the objections of the school administration.
    Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).
  • Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
    Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).
  • Of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event.
    Morse v. Frederick, __ U.S. __ (2007).

I might revise my petition and make it more direct. Still, I will try my very best to get the signatures to lock down on racism. America needs more authority and I for one somewhat agree with the gun law. The amendments I feel need to be updated. A lot of Americans abuse and use it to get away with things. That needs to come to a stop.




ok? Going just off your "banning" racist shirts.....

So...let us say that I'm white but I wear a shirt saying something like "Proud to be black". That could be seen as racist though mentally I may be proud to be "black". Or how about if I'm a black person and wear a shirt saying "I'm a Cracker". Would I be thrown in jail because of the shirt and how I felt about myself?

Anyway, as someone else mentioned in this thread...you can not BAN thoughts and feelings. Trying to get the government to write up something like this will be far to complex and open for interpretation. As Yorak said, if you don't like racism...don't be racist.

#57 mmjm

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:51

What are you smocking?
Racism is a protected form of speech. You can't just ban it on a whim or nearly all other speech that you happen to dislike.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:55

The only way to effectively outlaw racism would be to destroy our right to free speech. As much as I feel we need to move past racim as a nation I would fight against the erosion of our freedom of speech, at all costs.

#59 +_Alexander

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:57

Does this mean banning movies which talk about the issue of racism and depict racism and racist views?
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#60 mmjm

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:03

oh, 1957, you so prudish! lol

This has been revisited multiple times since then and guess what? Free speech/expression DOES include this little bit here. Don't know if you noticed but there's a whole industry based on this that makes billions every year.


The adult industry has skated by in that sense, much of it can be prosecuted actually. The state just has chosen not to enforce the laws.

I can tell you that much of the porn out there can be considered obscene. Especially websites that host and distribute pornography that
has no dialog. And especially websites/blogs that distribute pornography to which they have no rights to and no 2257 documentation on file
proving the age of the model and model releases/contracts

And what is obscene is decided by "community standards"
Which is why when you read about an obscenity trial you often see details like Company X shipped material to very conservative State X

In Florida for example, Lakeland is extremely conservative and does not allow even Playboy magazines to be distributed
there have been several cases tried there, and started there because its almost guaranteed residents would go against porn

Hence why many companies won't ship adult materials to certain zip codes

There's the famous 'Cambria list', named after its creator Paul Cambria that spells out what not to do in order to stay compliant with obscenity laws.
Theoretically anything that falls in the Cambria list can be prosecuted and get convictions on



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