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Hello Neowin!

A friend asked me to build a completely new PC for him and since his budget is bigger than my usual upgrade budget I'm able to look into Intel parts for him. Now the thing is I have been out of the loop with Intel ever since 2006 so after putting two possible build ideas together I wanted to ask if a i5 3330 + a GeForce GTX 660 or a Phenom II 955 + a GeForce 660 Ti would net him better performance on the long run. Overclocking is a non-factor as he is new to PCs and as he lives quite far away from me support can be troublesome :/

Most of my friends lean towards the i5 + GTX 660and I believe them though you can never have too many opinions^^

Here are the complete builds I put together:

AMD:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/JKccPDv.jpg[/img]

Intel:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/d3PCbQ6.jpg[/img]

Note: I'm aware the PSU in the AMD build is overkill and I already put a different one in place!

Thanks for help in advance! :)

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[url="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-processor-frame-rate-performance,3427.html"]This[/url] under 200$ CPU shoot-out from Tom's Hardware just came out. If gaming is the focus, you might find your answer in there (I haven't read it yet). As a rule of thumb, I always go for the more powerful GPU.

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I say this in every thread, but it depends on the resolution.

Assuming 1680x, the 660 will do fine, and be a better overall computer. Assuming resolutions higher than that, I'd take the 660 Ti and just plan on upgrading the 955 at some point when the new AMD processors come out.
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A 600W PSU isn't overkill and I'd recommend you go with one of that power. It's always good to have a little headroom so you don't stress it out under full load.

The i5 is definitely the better processor, but the 660 Ti is a better GPU than the regular 660.
A CPU cooler is useless unless they plan on overclocking, so I'd recommend getting rid of that and then going with the i5 and 660 Ti.
An i3 is even faster than that AMD CPU, but if they want a quad core, then go with whatever the cheapest i5 is that you can find.

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[quote name='Luc2k' timestamp='1360681108' post='595517022']
[url="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-processor-frame-rate-performance,3427.html"]This[/url] under 200$ CPU shoot-out from Tom's Hardware just came out. If gaming is the focus, you might find your answer in there (I haven't read it yet). As a rule of thumb, I always go for the more powerful GPU.
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Well it looks like it supported the decision to go with Intel^^

[quote name='threetonesun' timestamp='1360681500' post='595517030']
I say this in every thread, but it depends on the resolution.

Assuming 1680x, the 660 will do fine, and be a better overall computer. Assuming resolutions higher than that, I'd take the 660 Ti and just plan on upgrading the 955 at some point when the new AMD processors come out.
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Hmm I opted for the Intel for now as I figured it is more futureproof for him as he can always easily exchange the graphics card himself in the future while a CPU upgrade would be far more complicated :/ But still thanks for the opinion too^^

[quote name='Astra.Xtreme' timestamp='1360681699' post='595517034']
A 600W PSU isn't overkill and I'd recommend you go with one of that power. It's always good to have a little headroom so you don't stress it out under full load.

The i5 is definitely the better processor, but the 660 Ti is a better GPU than the regular 660.
A CPU cooler is useless unless they plan on overclocking, so I'd recommend getting rid of that and then going with the i5 and 660 Ti.
An i3 is even faster than that AMD CPU, but if they want a quad core, then go with whatever the cheapest i5 is that you can find.
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Oh and I know that the cooler is technically useless for stock-speeds though I mainly went with it for the noise-level and ease of cleaning as from my experience stock-coolers are pretty terrible :pinch: And I know that the 600w PSU would have had more headroom though it was impossible to maintain in the Intel build anyways as it broke the budget :/ I asked some people to calculate the watt usage and they said that the system under current conditions would draw 350-380w max so I went with a 500w PSU in the end to be safe :) And thanks for another opinion on the AMD vs Intel factor, it seems that I made the right decision then to go with the i5 as like said this isn't a PC for me and my friend always can exchange the GPU himself in the future and a CPU not that easily.

Thanks again for the help everyone!^^

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[quote name='Astra.Xtreme' timestamp='1360681699' post='595517034']
I mainly went with it for the noise-level and ease of cleaning as from my experience stock-coolers are pretty terrible :pinch:

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The Core i5 750 stock cooler is almost impossible to clean. One of the worst cooler i ever used. I actually replaced it after 2 years as i was not able to remove most of the dust even using a can of dust off and the temp of my cpu was farily high (close to 100 celsius under load).

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[quote name='SkyDX' timestamp='1360701224' post='595517616']
Hmm I opted for the Intel for now as I figured it is more futureproof for him as he can always easily exchange the graphics card himself in the future while a CPU upgrade would be far more complicated :/ But still thanks for the opinion too^^
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Not a bad point, I have an i5 and a GTX660 myself so... I think it's a pretty good setup. :D

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I currently have the AMD 955 and it's a great CPU as it has served me well, however it's now 2 years (possibly more) old and it's starting to show it's age verses the newer CPUs. Consider looking into an AMD 8350. Looks like a very decent CPU for the price tag and closely rivals intel's offerings :)
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I'd go with the AMD Build. It will perform better in gaming with the 660 Ti. Now if you have wiggle room for the Intel build; upgrade the PSU to at least a 500 watt, and upgrade the video to a 660 Ti. Although the difference between the 660 and 660 Ti is not great.

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[quote name='LaP' timestamp='1360702353' post='595517656']
The Core i5 750 stock cooler is almost impossible to clean. One of the worst cooler i ever used. I actually replaced it after 2 years as i was not able to remove most of the dust even using a can of dust off and the temp of my cpu was farily high (close to 100 celsius under load).
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Whoa that sounds even worse than what I experienced with AMD coolers and I'm sorry you had to deal with that :( Though it sounds like I thankfully avoided some problems there^^

[quote name='threetonesun' timestamp='1360702508' post='595517662']
Not a bad point, I have an i5 and a GTX660 myself so... I think it's a pretty good setup. :D
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Oh I'm confident it will serve him well then! :)

[quote name='djdanster' timestamp='1360704569' post='595517712']
I currently have the AMD 955 and it's a great CPU as it has served me well, however it's now 2 years (possibly more) old and it's starting to show it's age verses the newer CPUs. Consider looking into an AMD 8350. Looks like a very decent CPU for the price tag and closely rivals intel's offerings :)
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Yeah I feel the same as I myself run a 955 and am happy with it though I heard the new Vishera FX CPUs are only on par with the Phenom II's as far as gaming goes so I will wait and see what the CPU market brings when I myself upgrade in a year or two^^

[quote name='abysal' timestamp='1360705624' post='595517746']
I'd go with the AMD Build. It will perform better in gaming with the 660 Ti. Now if you have wiggle room for the Intel build; upgrade the PSU to at least a 500 watt, and upgrade the video to a 660 Ti. Although the difference between the 660 and 660 Ti is not great.
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Thanks for the reply too but to be honest I broke the budget on both builds already and I'm actually gifting my friend 20
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I5 and get the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO it's a cheap cooler that does very good for the money.

I also got the Antec HCG-620M it's a good bang for the buck modular PSU that's very good. I got one in this build and another in another...

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What is the PC going to be used for?

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[quote name='remixedcat' timestamp='1360746208' post='595518816']
I5 and get the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO it's a cheap cooler that does very good for the money.

I also got the Antec HCG-620M it's a good bang for the buck modular PSU that's very good. I got one in this build and another in another...
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Oh thanks Remixedcat! I know the EVO 212 is better than the TX3 but what made me pick the TX3 in the end was actually... well after watching some Youtube videos I was like "okay there is no way I manage to install the EVO 212 without braking something :pinch:" and the TX3 had the standard mounting mechanism which made me go "thank god!"^^;;

And I'm glad that there are so many satisfied Antec PSU users all around, I might pick one up from them when I upgrade my own PC :)

[quote name='Shaun' timestamp='1360746339' post='595518818']
What is the PC going to be used for?
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Well it was meant as a sort of "entry gaming" PC for a friend of mine. He wanted a new PC and asked me to put something together at the start of this week so I tried my best to stay within his budget of 680

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nah the evo was easy to install. very easy...

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[quote name='remixedcat' timestamp='1360762729' post='595519068']
nah the evo was easy to install. very easy...
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yes I can easily vouch for the Evo 212, installed it last week on a friend's new built rig, one of the easiest jobs ever! don't be intimidated by the backplate rumour, its not true!

And yes its a brilliant heat sink, his 3570 runs so cool under it, even when overclocked. A nice build these days could be a FX 8350 with GTX660 ti.... great competitor to the 3570 equivalent build from Intel, and somewhat cheaper mobo and ram wise aswell.
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[quote name='remixedcat' timestamp='1360762729' post='595519068']
nah the evo was easy to install. very easy...
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If it fits in your case. :laugh:

Although I happen to know that it will fit in a Thermaltake V3, assuming you don't want side fans.

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Antec Three Hundred Two is my case

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[quote name='remixedcat' timestamp='1360762729' post='595519068']
nah the evo was easy to install. very easy...
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[quote name='- Kaboose -' timestamp='1360763268' post='595519084']
yes I can easily vouch for the Evo 212, installed it last week on a friend's new built rig, one of the easiest jobs ever! don't be intimidated by the backplate rumour, its not true!

And yes its a brilliant heat sink, his 3570 runs so cool under it, even when overclocked. A nice build these days could be a FX 8350 with GTX660 ti.... great competitor to the 3570 equivalent build from Intel, and somewhat cheaper mobo and ram wise aswell.
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Whoa really? :blink: Now I feel like a fool :pinch: From all I watched it seemed like I would need three persons to install the EVO 212, one that holds the motherboard on the edge, a second one who pushes the heatsink down in place and a third one who screws it in.... oh well I already ordered everything so I can't change it anyhow^^;;

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I did it myself

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[quote name='remixedcat' timestamp='1360766341' post='595519182']
I did it myself
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Well you as a cat have the advantage of four paws and a extra tail :p Just kidding I guess I learned my lesson for future builds, thank you!^^
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No probs. Glad to assist,

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[quote name='SkyDX' timestamp='1360767835' post='595519234']
Well you as a cat have the advantage of four paws and a extra tail :p ^^
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Also supernatural power.
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[quote name='remixedcat' timestamp='1360769315' post='595519290']
No probs. Glad to assist,
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Well I have to say I'm glad that Neowin has preserved its friendly nature^^

[quote name='LaP' timestamp='1360769733' post='595519316']
Also supernatural power.
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And oh yeah I forgot about that, maybe you want to take over Neowin and make it Meowin with your powers Remixedcat? :rofl:
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Bit late on this one, but personally I would definitely go with the i5 and vanilla 660. I have the exact same setup and ti eats everything you throw at it.
Then in a few years you can easily chuck a new graphics card in, and unless they are doing strenuous video editing etc., the i5 will still be fine.
If you get phenom, they are stuck with AMD, sure they can put a new AMD cpu when they come out, but after the last few generations of intel vs amd I would not trust the AMD cpu's to be anywhere near their intel counterparts in performance.

It's always easier to replace a gfx card than a CPU. That z77 chipset is much more future proof also.
The 660 can be overclocked to 660ti levels anyway. Seems like a no brainer to me.

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[quote name='SkyDX' timestamp='1360793037' post='595520048']
Well I have to say I'm glad that Neowin has preserved its friendly nature^^



And oh yeah I forgot about that, maybe you want to take over Neowin and make it Meowin with your powers Remixedcat? :rofl:
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meee-ow! :cat:

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The AMD build will be faster in games, but worse in every other respect. Also while it's easy to swap a video card for a better model from any manufacturer, the choice of CPU is much more binding, basically you probably won't touch it ever. So, the AMD build is ok if all you care about is getting maximum gaming performance right now, but I wouldn't recommend it in general.

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