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Fighting dirty: Microsoft


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I guess this discussion won't end.

That's your opinion. MS just fixed some of the sharing options for Live 365. Outlook.com does look better than Hotmail, but it's not nearly as intuitive for me, or as featureful (is that a word?). Google for me ALWAYS finds better results, no matter how many time I've tried to use Bing.

Thanks for the clarification, I thought I had posted someone else's opinion :)

So, for the opinion-Nazis of neowin, recommendations in the future, anytime I post opinion do I need to surround it in [opinion] tags, say "In my opinion", or anything else to make it more blatantly obvious that what I'm saying is opinion? Since apparently inference isn't a strong suit around here.

:rolleyes:

This is what I get for saying something bad about the almighty Google.

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It seems to me that Microsoft is a bit desperate here. No matter what they do they can't seem to get a break while Google is still the media's darling.

Microsoft could make a (generally) compelling product.

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Slash other's products so your own product gets higher praise. That's a typical argument that's used in politics; doesn't stick so well.

Except it's used in politics because it works.

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So, for the opinion-Nazis of neowin, recommendations in the future, anytime I post opinion do I need to surround it in [opinion] tags, say "In my opinion", or anything else to make it more blatantly obvious that what I'm saying is opinion? Since apparently inference isn't a strong suit around here.

No, just word your comments correct so it comes off as an opinion an not a fact. If you want to put something to indicate an opinion, then do so if you want. I normally put IMO but that is just me as I want to make sure there is no confusion on what I mean.

This is what I get for saying something bad about the almighty Google.

:rolleyes:

It seems to me that Microsoft is a bit desperate here. No matter what they do they can't seem to get a break while Google is still the media's darling.

And company that resorts tho this kind of "marketing" i call desperate. Whether it be MS, Apple, Samsung....whoever. I dont think Google is doing this...or not nearly as much as others. And hope they never do or else I would be saying the same crap about them.

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Slash other's products so your own product gets higher praise. That's a typical argument that's used in politics; doesn't stick so well.

Problem is, when MS does it, it's "Fighting dirty" when Apple does it (I'm a Mac, I'm a PC) it's no big deal? :s

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Google allows opting out via DNT, and using thier cookies, MS does not.

In fact it's pretty funny how MS keeps slating google yet in everything I see (minus compatibility) google seems better than MS does.

You forgot about MS wanting DNT as a standard setting in IE10 and the whole web went nuts. They went so far to claim they would just ignore the setting if it came from an IE browser.

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Problem is, when MS does it, it's "Fighting dirty" when Apple does it (I'm a Mac, I'm a PC) it's no big deal? :s

I thought the majority here were mad at Apple when they did those stupid Justin Long commercials... :huh:

It's like we're living in parallel forums.

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Problem is, when MS does it, it's "Fighting dirty" when Apple does it (I'm a Mac, I'm a PC) it's no big deal? :s

What are you talking about? The Apple ads were hugely controversial. Both campaigns were sleazy.

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What are you talking about? The Apple ads were hugely controversial. Both campaigns were sleazy.

Sleazy? I'm a PC fan and I thought those Apple ads were actually very well done.

So... what are YOU talking about??? ;)

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Opponent trolling is a stupid and juvenile tactic. Even Apple moved away from it and it's not like they were ever afraid to launch juvenile attacks on competitors. This move smells of desperation to me.

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Maybe besides making childish comments like this, make posts that are actually stated as opinion and not fact. I was just pointing that out.

Like it says on that page he linked to, you don't have to state that something is your opinion. The very fact that you are the one who said it means it's your opinion.

If I say "Google sucks" it's obviously my opinion, I don't actually have to say "Google sucks in my opinion."

This is one of my pet gripes too. Someone said something like "You don't speak for everyone" after I posted an opinion the other day. I didn't say I did!!

:p

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No, just word your comments correct so it comes off as an opinion an not a fact. If you want to put something to indicate an opinion, then do so if you want. I normally put IMO but that is just me as I want to make sure there is no confusion on what I mean.

Are we really not intelligent enough to recognise an opinion unless somebody states it as such?

THE WALL IS RED. <- FACT. It is irrefutable (unless the wall is a different colour). There is no opinion here.

GOOGLE SUCKS. <- OPINION. There is no fact here. What people will think of Google will change from person to person. There is no one answer here.

Actually saying "in my opinion" is completely redundant when people should be able to recognise the difference between opinion and fact from a young age.

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Are we really not intelligent enough to recognise an opinion unless somebody states it as such?

THE WALL IS RED. <- FACT. It is irrefutable (unless the wall is a different colour). There is no opinion here.

GOOGLE SUCKS. <- OPINION. There is no fact here. What people will think of Google will change from person to person. There is no one answer here.

Actually saying "in my opinion" is completely redundant when people should be able to recognise the difference between opinion and fact from a young age.

I am done discussing whether it was an opinion or fact. Others thought the same thing as I did but it was nice to include an insult questioning mine, and others, intelligence.

Have a good one.

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I am done discussing whether it was an opinion or fact. Others thought the same thing as I did but it was nice to include an insult questioning mine, and others, intelligence.

Have a good one.

It wasn't meant to be an insult, but I can see why it came across that way. My apologies.

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It wasn't meant to be an insult, but I can see why it came across that way. My apologies.

No problem. Easy to misinterpret convos via text. Just want to get back to the topic is all. :)

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Problem is, when MS does it, it's "Fighting dirty" when Apple does it (I'm a Mac, I'm a PC) it's no big deal? :s

WTH that has anything to do with this topic??? Never said that those ads (I'm a PC, I'm a Mac) were OK; in fact they promoted the "reality distortion field" alot.

Slashing the competition to promote your own product is vile; it doesn't make your product look good by merit, even that your own product might be better.

One thing is for sure: the marketing department of Microsoft is getting crappier every year.

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I guess this discussion won't end.

Thanks for the clarification, I thought I had posted someone else's opinion :)

So, for the opinion-Nazis of neowin, recommendations in the future, anytime I post opinion do I need to surround it in [opinion] tags, say "In my opinion", or anything else to make it more blatantly obvious that what I'm saying is opinion? Since apparently inference isn't a strong suit around here.

:rolleyes:

This is what I get for saying something bad about the almighty Google.

Semantics. Is your comment what I get for saying something bad against MS? I thought we were adults here...

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Are we really not intelligent enough to recognise an opinion unless somebody states it as such?

No, probably not any more.

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