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Meteor warning system in the works — but not ready yet


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:22

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By Suzanne Choney
There aren't yet any advance warning systems that could give Earthlings a heads-up before an untracked space rock hits. But a telescope project in Hawaii aims to change that, and potentially provide a chance for those in threatened areas to evacuate. A meteor alert might have made a difference to Russia's Chelyabinsk region on Friday.

"There are excellent ongoing surveys for asteroids that are capable of seeing such a rock with one to two days warning, but they do not cover the whole sky each night, so there's a good chance that any given rock can slip by them for days to weeks. This one obviously did," astronomer John Tonry of the Institute for Astronomy at the University of Hawaii told NBC News Friday.

Tonry is one of the key players in a NASA-backed effort to build ATLAS (Asteroid Terrestrial-impact Last Alert System), two observatories in Hawaii that can simultaneously scan the entire visible sky twice a night.
"If ATLAS were up and running we might very well have seen" the meteor that hit Russia, he said, and "could have provided one to two days' warning."

However, he adds, the success of detection "depends on a couple of assumptions." One is that it's not cloudy. Another is that the asteroid doesn't go over the South Pole, "where ATLAS cannot see."

Telescopes, Tony said, "can only see the sky above the horizon, obviously. A telescope that's sited in the northern hemisphere (which ATLAS will be) cannot see all the way to the South Pole of the sky." And, "if the asteroid were coming from that direction, there's a good chance that it would never rise above the horizon for a northern telescope before it hits."

While it would "easy to build multiple copies of ATLAS and put some in the south, and spread them out so they see different weather patterns ... that's for the future," he said.

The ATLAS telescopes are "just now" being built, Tonry said; ATLAS should "start running around the end of 2014 and be fully operational by the end of 2015." NASA has provided $5 million in funding for ATLAS.

At one time, NASA considered launching an asteroid-hunting probe, but that didn't go forward because of the cost, estimated at $500 million almost a decade ago.

Other private efforts are in the works, too.

Last year, leaders of the nonprofit B612 Foundation, including Apollo astronaut Rusty Schweickart, started a campaign to fund and launch a space telescope that will hunt for potential killer asteroids over the course of five and a half years.

Another venture, from a group called Planetary Resources, ultimately wants to do asteroid mining, but says its first step is to "launch an orbital fleet of 'personal space telescopes' capable of looking out into the heavens or back down on Earth," wrote Alan Boyle, NBC News.com's Science editor last year.
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I'm not sure if we could ever really do anything. Asteroids are way too damn powerful. Would take something amazing to stop it, or even break it up.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:34

I agree with your comment OP. In order to be able to stop or deflect an object travelling at such a tremendous speed would be nearly impossible with todays technology.
You can also ask what the point would be with an advanced warning system, as the systems aren't sensitive enough to determine where exactly the object would touch down and hence potentially cause entire countries or regions to collapse into chaos from receiving the news..

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:59

so i look for another asteroid: Apophis 99942
and it seem Rusia are somehow have risk being impacted again: http://en.wikipedia...._impact_effects

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 13:58

Tee hee hee I actually have access to such a system.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 14:02

View Postremixedcat, on 16 February 2013 - 13:58, said:

Tee hee hee I actually have access to such a system.
Which one? ATLAS or USS Apophis 99942 control deck?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 14:03

I am with ACS.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 14:05

99942 Apophis doesn't pose an impact risk anymore for the foreseeable future.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 14:08

Natural disasters cannot be avoided. It's a good start to the population problem.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 14:14

View PostCrisp, on 16 February 2013 - 14:08, said:

Natural disasters cannot be avoided. It's a good start to the population problem.

People will complain over that last sentence but as harsh as it sounds it's true.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 16:03

Probably not feasible, but still a fun idea.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 16:15

What good is a warning ? A defense plan is better.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 16:27

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I agree with your comment OP. In order to be able to stop or deflect an object travelling at such a tremendous speed would be nearly impossible with todays technology.

It depends how much warning we have. We have technology to divert an asteroid of any size at the moment if we have enough warning. Paint one side of it white is one of many examples.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 16:52

A complete waste of money. Without an alarm, odds are you'd win a few lotteries in your lifetime than be hit by a meteor. We really need an alarm to warn people that they might get a few cuts and scrapes from glass due to a sonic boom?

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:59

View PostF_C, on 16 February 2013 - 16:27, said:

It depends how much warning we have. We have technology to divert an asteroid of any size at the moment if we have enough warning. Paint one side of it white is one of many examples.

Gonna need a looooonnggg paintbrush. :wacko:

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:49

I feel much better if any meteor alert system was space based instead of earth based.