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[+Jdawg683]

vcfan, on 21 February 2013 - 14:19, said:

What is bad is the CPU penalty. The CPU is linear. It executes instructions in order. Because of the latency,the CPU will basically stall,making the CPU less efficient.

Do you know, for fact, that the CPU used in the PS4 is going to be in-order instead of out-of-order? i sure havent seen anything about that...

[TheLegendOfMart]

Its an AMD Jaguar so is an out-of-order CPU.

[+Jdawg683]

DirtyLarry, on 21 February 2013 - 14:41, said:

Man, count me out if what was only rumor is now absolutely considered fact. They are rushing because they used 8GB at the last minute? How do people know this exactly? Because dev kits historically have twice the ram? I mean call me crazy, but could it just be they decided it made a whole lot of sense that the dev kit would actually have the same RAM the system would.

And not showing the design means nothing more then they also wanted to have something major to show at e3. Are people really that desperate to make Sony look bad that they are now going to compare them to the same mistakes Microsoft made with rushing the 360 out and totally dismissing a little thing called marketing? Anyone who plays poker knows you do not show all your cards right away, and hate to break it to you all, this business is as much of a poker game as it is everything else. Sony no doubt is holding back on showing the design as they want to also have a great showing at e3.

I am actually close to being done with this community after last night. The amount of XBros sickens me to no end. God forbid your precious piece of plastic is not the best, which yes, all signs are pointing in that direction.

What really, really bothers me about all of you XBros is you fail to forget Sony has been doing this for a long, long time. This is not their first time at the Rodeo. What is amazing is they are not only still around after releasing what many called a disaster of a system because of the Cell, but they appear to be in a place that they will at least have equal specs to the next XBox, and it will be just as easy to develop for. They learned their lesson from The Cell. And this is what has so many people talking ****, and trying to make them sound as bad as they can whenever they can, as they are, for whatever dumb reasons, scared of the fact that even with what so many people called a nightmare of a system with The Cell in the PS3, Sony hung around strong this generation. And now they have a developer friendly console. And a console that appears to be as powerful as the next XBox will be. Why are you all so butthurt about this fact? Because your precious XBox brand may actually not be as great as you all swear that it is? Because the company who so many of you this generation said was destined to fail did not fail? Is your own life really that shallow and empty you have to choose sides on something like a console? Seriously?

DirtyLarry - always has his head on his shoulders.

[Audioboxer]

Straight from Sony themselves

Quote

Will the new console cost $599 to start?

I certainly hope not. I think we’re very proud of what we delivered with the PlayStation 3 in terms of technology, and that we were able to enhance the features while still reducing the price to $249. But I think our goal with this is to debut at a more consumer-friendly price. But we havent made any final decisions about what the price will be at launch.

Why didn’t we see the new console today?

I guess when I think about the console, you open it up, you look at it, you certainly look at it when you insert a disc, but for most people, it’s behind a cabinet or on a shelf somewhere and you spend all your time looking at the screen. And we wanted to show people the screen. There will be multiple opportunities to share the look of the console between now and the launch. We just didn’t choose this first event as the time to show it.

But is it ready?

I mean, we’re certainly capable of showing playable game content, but we don’t have a mass-production box that we can bring out and pull out. That’s still in development in terms of final specs and design.

http://allthingsd.co...tation-4-event/

[TheLegendOfMart]

In other words they are waiting to see what Microsoft prices theirs at

[DPyro]

threetonesun, on 21 February 2013 - 15:16, said:

The Xbox whatever and the PS4 will be essentially the same, they'll be able to do 1080p at 30fps. The specifications are pretty pointless. The consoles are differentiated by their ability to lure exclusives, which Microsoft has an upper hand in by charging for their online service, giving them a pile of cash to throw at every developer they can find.

Last time I checked all the indie devs are running to Sony because they can self publish and aren't limited about what they can do.

[threetonesun]

DPyro, on 21 February 2013 - 16:14, said:

Last time I checked all the indie devs are running to Sony because they can self publish and aren't limited about what they can do.

Are they? There's an entire Xbox indie section, and the Xbox Arcade section is still full of exclusive games.

Honestly though, if it's indie games you want, the PC is the place to go.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Yeah but you can self publish on PS4, with Jonathan Blow of Braid fame pretty much saying his next game is a PS4 exclusive after all the hassle hes been through with Microsoft it signals to indie devs that PS4 is the console to develop for with the ability to self publish.

[JonnyLH]

DirtyLarry, on 21 February 2013 - 14:41, said:

Man, count me out if what was only rumor is now absolutely considered fact. They are rushing because they used 8GB at the last minute? How do people know this exactly? Because dev kits historically have twice the ram? I mean call me crazy, but could it just be they decided it made a whole lot of sense that the dev kit would actually have the same RAM the system would.

And not showing the design means nothing more then they also wanted to have something major to show at e3. Are people really that desperate to make Sony look bad that they are now going to compare them to the same mistakes Microsoft made with rushing the 360 out and totally dismissing a little thing called marketing? Anyone who plays poker knows you do not show all your cards right away, and hate to break it to you all, this business is as much of a poker game as it is everything else. Sony no doubt is holding back on showing the design as they want to also have a great showing at e3.

I am actually close to being done with this community after last night. The amount of XBros sickens me to no end. God forbid your precious piece of plastic is not the best, which yes, all signs are pointing in that direction.

What really, really bothers me about all of you XBros is you fail to forget Sony has been doing this for a long, long time. This is not their first time at the Rodeo. What is amazing is they are not only still around after releasing what many called a disaster of a system because of the Cell, but they appear to be in a place that they will at least have equal specs to the next XBox, and it will be just as easy to develop for. They learned their lesson from The Cell. And this is what has so many people talking ****, and trying to make them sound as bad as they can whenever they can, as they are, for whatever dumb reasons, scared of the fact that even with what so many people called a nightmare of a system with The Cell in the PS3, Sony hung around strong this generation. And now they have a developer friendly console. And a console that appears to be as powerful as the next XBox will be. Why are you all so butthurt about this fact? Because your precious XBox brand may actually not be as great as you all swear that it is? Because the company who so many of you this generation said was destined to fail did not fail? Is your own life really that shallow and empty you have to choose sides on something like a console? Seriously?

What you also forget is that MS have the ace, and always will have the ace. That's DirectX.

Microsoft will do exactly what they did for the next Xbox, for this one. That's build a specially suited version of Direct X which will end up being a hybrid between 11.1 and 12. Which the last one was, a hybrid between 9 & 10. That's the key here. Sony will most likely wrap a OpenGL wrapper around its native API, where as microsoft bakes DirectX straight in. In result, this performs excellent, its miles easier to develop for and it simply pays off.

I really do think the decider in this generation will be the software. Which Microsoft have the upper hand at. I'd be truely shocked if the next Xbox didn't run on the Shared W8 kernal, a kernal which developers have coded for, since forever, on x86. For that reason aswell, I can't really imagine seeing the huge graphical leap in the console lifetimes like we've seen in the lifetime of the 360/PS3.

[threetonesun]

TheLegendOfMart, on 21 February 2013 - 16:19, said:

Yeah but you can self publish on PS4, with Jonathan Blow of Braid fame pretty much saying his next game is a PS4 exclusive after all the hassle hes been through with Microsoft it signals to indie devs that PS4 is the console to develop for with the ability to self publish.

PS4... and PC, and by virtue of that, Steam Box.

If MS loses true indie devs, they'll still find enough budding companies out there to pay to fill up the Arcade service.

[+Brando212]

psyn, on 21 February 2013 - 15:05, said:

On another note though, I would have really wished that Sony just gave us a full on introduction of the console, full features of dual shock 4 etc etc.

I don't know about you guys, but i'm getting a bit fatigued with 'mystery' themed press launches and then not having all the answers after it's over.

Would have really wanted to get some pricing information, see the actual console and how dual shock really exemplifies itself as a next gen type controller and how the social media features really all tie in.

I'm excited about Ps4, but a tad annoyed that not everything was revealed.

and i'm annoyed that people like you keep wining about how sony didn't show everything

no offense but think about it from a logical stand point. the whole point of the conference was to leave you wanting more. if they had showed everything off and given price points and everything now, then they wouldn't have anything left for E3

[jerzdawg]

DirtyLarry, on 21 February 2013 - 14:41, said:

I am actually close to being done with this community after last night. The amount of XBros sickens me to no end. God forbid your precious piece of plastic is not the best, which yes, all signs are pointing in that direction.

While I agree on most of what you say... isnt what you say above making you sound like a PS4bro? We dont have anything solid on the next xbox but you are already claiming the ps4 will be the "best" (in comparison to the next xbox).

[+Brando212]

jerzdawg, on 21 February 2013 - 17:33, said:

While I agree on most of what you say... isnt what you say above making you sound like a PS4bro? We dont have anything solid on the next xbox but you are already claiming the ps4 will be the "best" (in comparison to the next xbox).

the way i see it (just from what is known about the 2) the PS4 will probably be the best gaming experience while the nextbox will be the best multimedia experience

but that's just my take on what's known so far

[Blackhearted]

HawkMan, on 21 February 2013 - 10:03, said:

Point is that, you can't irectly translate the amount of randomlydecidedperformanceFLOPS into real world performance. if that was the case all our computers woudl be running RISC CPU's, which isn't the case. On top of that, we don't know what the final hardware of the 360 is, and it also has some new unknown hardware that's supposed to take a lot of load off the GPU.

When they're both of the same core architecture, which reports seem to suggest, then it actually does translate into a real world performance difference. Especially if the difference ends up as big as reports suggest. Also, i'm a bit doubtful that there's some kind of "secret sauce" in it that will make up for a rather significant 600gflops difference.

[HawkMan]

Blackhearted, on 21 February 2013 - 20:09, said:

When they're both of the same core architecture, which reports seem to suggest, then it actually does translate into a real world performance difference. Especially if the difference ends up as big as reports suggest. Also, i'm a bit doubtful that there's some kind of "secret sauce" in it that will make up for a rather significant 600gflops difference.

You're forgetting those two extra "engine" thingies rumored to be in the Nextbox to offload a lot of the GPU strain. So while they both share the jaguar x86 architecture, there's a LOT more diference in the underlying architecture that could affect performance in a major way.

and lets not forget that the OS and software running on top of the hardware also affects perfomance a lot. and there pretty much is NO other ocmpany with as much experience on running low end and middleware software on x86 as MS, and there certainly is no other company with as much experience on running 3D graphics API on x86 as MS.

For me though, I don't care about the (rumored)differences in performance there, it will have very little real world effect on the games in reality. I'm interested in the new software. how much of Metro/Modenr UI and Windows 8 will the xbox inherit. it's sure to run the win8 minwin core. But beyond that, will it run it's own apps, or will MS do a truly master move and let the Xbox run all the full Windows 8 modern apps... netflix day one, and already well established and solid and tested. I mean every console comes with Kinect 2 with finger recognition as well, you can navigate that ui like a pro from the sofa with tiny hand movement or use a controller. MS has the opportunity to really win big here if they do.

Likewise I'd be interested to see what Sony plans for their software.