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#16 OP PGHammer

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 23:50

It's just a shame Crytek can't make a quality game. CryEngine3 has so much potential, but we're going to have to wait until a third party company purchases a license for the engine and develops a game that properly utilizes the engine.

Crysis 3 exists for the sole reason the original Crysis existed -- to benchmark your system to see how future proof it is.


Except for quite a few things I've uncovered in Crysis 3, you're so far WRONG that such a statement could apply more to the original Crysis than Crysis 3

I have as more toward the floor of the acceptable hardware minimum as is practical, and I'm not complaining; in fact, the complaints largely aren't coming from the middle - the complaints are coming from the ends (low-end, including consoles, and those high-end elitists - the middle is quite happy, as they were with Crysis 2).

Multi-GPU (a feature common on the high-end) is NOT seeing the performance gains that single-GPU setups are over Crysis 2; if anything, multi-GPU is seeing performance losses compared to Crysis 2. (That is, in fact, why the high-end elitists are kvetching so hard.)

Single-GPU is mostly seeing either identical or IMPROVED performance compared to Crysis 2; in fact, performance of my HD5450 is ALSO up compared to Crysis 2 - which is, in fact, why I'm not among those complaining.

So, in my opinion (so far) Crysis 3 is, if anything, closer to the general middle of modern PC hardware than Crysis 2 was when it launched - and it's definitely skewed more toward the middle than a fully-patched Crysis 2.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 00:01

And it means the same as those other words which tend to get bleeped or otherwise censored on Internet forums, chat sites, Twitter, etc. Due to its LACK of negative freighting (despite that it means the same) I use it instead of the censorable and often CENSORED phraseology.


Off topic I know, but I didn't realise the words whine or complain were censored.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 00:21

If you're basing how good a game is based solely on how demanding it is on your system, you aren't a gamer, Crysis seems to be held up in such high regard based on its ludicrous system requirements and graphics. This dad not disguise the fact it was a mediocre game in almost every regard.


aint that the truth! Crysis 2 was pretty lame after a while of play. all fancy looking but a typical Crytek game, Farcrys are the same. Ill pick up Crysis 3 in a month or two in the bargain bucket when its £19 or lower.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 00:23

If you're basing how good a game is based solely on how demanding it is on your system, you aren't a gamer, Crysis seems to be held up in such high regard based on its ludicrous system requirements and graphics. This dad not disguise the fact it was a mediocre game in almost every regard.


Unfortunately for a lot of gamers it did. They got caught up in the hype and there are still many to this day who defend it, when the gameplay was weak and the engine very poorly optimised. It certainly had some impressive graphics but it wasn't a good engine or game. Crysis 2 was a much better game, even though it's generally not regarded as highly.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 00:24

If you're basing how good a game is based solely on how demanding it is on your system, you aren't a gamer, Crysis seems to be held up in such high regard based on its ludicrous system requirements and graphics. This dad not disguise the fact it was a mediocre game in almost every regard.


A lot of the high-end elists are more benchmark racers than gamers (IMHO), McKay - and they HATE and DESPISE being called out on it.

Athernar - I was not even referring to Crysis in particular. Casual piracy in general is an issue for ALL developers of paid content (it's why I also referred to operating systems and applications - two areas where Crytek and EA have zero software being effected.) Casual piracy affects publishers more than developers, but it DOES affect developers - developer contracts with publishers - all of which include a share of sales revenues - suffer when revenues drop for ANY reason - including piracy, casual or not. Again, the pirated material itself is irrelevant.

The original Crysis was indeed a high-end benchmark disguised as a game - and I was one of those that called it out as such. Surprisingly, Crysis 2 was a LOT more fun to play than the original, and Crysis 3 is far more fun (so far) than even Crysis 2. (One thing Crysis 3 has is some recreations of moments from earlier shooters - one of those is in the train yards, when you're looking for the nanosuit jammer; at one point when you're practically right on top of it (it's on a position that had been overrun by feral Ceph); right as you're about to land on that position (there's also ammo crates there - it's the AMMO I was after) those same feral Ceph that apparently ate the local CELL garrison are looking to snack on you. It reminded me of a stage from the original DOOM when you're about to walk through one of those hidden doors - only to find yourself up PAST your ears in demons - cacodemons to be precise. From "I'm okay." to "WTF!!!" in less than a second. I'll likely have a few NIGHTMARES about that tonight - despite my NOT dying there; definitely a major "BRRRRR" moment.)

And that is the real difference going from the original Crysis to Crysis 2, and now Crysis 3. Crysis 2 hewed more toward the center on PCs than the original did, and Crysis 3 skews more toward the center of PCs today. As the playability of the core game skewed more toward the middle, the game itself became much more fun to play.

Lastly, Crysis 3 for PC is much less a "rails" shooter than Crysis 2 - even, if not especially, in the rail yard and vicinity - if it were, that pack of feral Ceph would have been far more avoidable. One thing I am doing a LOT of is exploring - using my visor to look for everything from extra/additional ammo/weapon caches, to more stuff to hack. (However, what the heck is it with the CELL subcommanders? They sound like they all came out of the same mold as that despicable and despised Lockhart that Alcatraz put down like a rabid animal in Crysis 2. Due to the LACK of time pressure so far - I don't rush through anything. I take my time discombobulating their ambush attempts, raiding ammo caches, popping in and out of cloak, shooting them in ignominious areas - basically general toying - FAR more so than in Crysis 2. Yes - just as in Crysis 2, posterior perforation is a personal favorite.)

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:40

funny, I'm the only that actually enjoyed Crysis? Yeah i just played in 2011 when i had my new puter (before i had only laptops for quite some time and they were more work oriented than game oriented) and with all the gfx in max quality the game looks suberb; although i must agree that the engine was poorly developed.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:48

Athernar - I was not even referring to Crysis in particular. Casual piracy in general is an issue for ALL developers of paid content (it's why I also referred to operating systems and applications - two areas where Crytek and EA have zero software being effected.) Casual piracy affects publishers more than developers, but it DOES affect developers - developer contracts with publishers - all of which include a share of sales revenues - suffer when revenues drop for ANY reason - including piracy, casual or not. Again, the pirated material itself is irrelevant.


If it's an "issue" then it's purely of the publisher's invention, piracy is nothing more than a scapegoat.

I'm not going to go in depth and rehash a bunch of arguments on this topic because it's been beaten to death, but it can be summarised with a few points.

- Some people will pirate regardless.
- Pirates can be converted into paying customers. (2nd hand game sales cannot, ignoring microtransactions)
- DRM only hurts paying customers.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:49

funny, I'm the only that actually enjoyed Crysis? Yeah i just played in 2011 when i had my new puter (before i had only laptops for quite some time and they were more work oriented than game oriented) and with all the gfx in max quality the game looks suberb; although i must agree that the engine was poorly developed.

I liked it well enough to finish it so it's definitely got that over many other games, but I think the 'alien invasion' thing is boring as all hell.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:00

I liked it well enough to finish it so it's definitely got that over many other games, but I think the 'alien invasion' thing is boring as all hell.


well that theme is used into oblivion that's for sure, but it was a game that, apart from the graphics, it had some perks: the suit (speed, strength, cloaking) and the environment. Sure the graphics is the main attraction and the fact that only top notch computers (at the time) could run it (that even made into a meme), but it is a top game, not a mediocre.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:05

I truly cannot even fathom how people can say that somehow the Crysis series has not been good from a gameplay perspective. It damn near boggles my mind. Even as they have progressively dumbed down the gameplay to make the game more suited for the consoles, it is still overall one of the better FPS experiences one can have in gaming. At least IMHO. It is just damn fun to play.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:20

I truly cannot even fathom how people can say that somehow the Crysis series has not been good from a gameplay perspective. It damn near boggles my mind. Even as they have progressively dumbed down the gameplay to make the game more suited for the consoles, it is still overall one of the better FPS experiences one can have in gaming. At least IMHO. It is just damn fun to play.


I'm NOT saying that it isn't fun to play, DL - the advantage it's gained as it's required less and less fiddlework for average midrange PCs to be able to play it is that you can actually CONCENTRATE more on the gameplay, as opposed to the graphical goodness. Then there is the fact that the controls of the first Crysis practically BEGGED for something other than keyboard and mouse - which isn't the case for Crysis 2 or Crysis 3. Because Crysis 2 (and even more so Crysis 3) are games i don't have to wrestle to the ground to be ABLE to play, I can actually CONCENTRATE on playing. In fact, I'm at the dam right now, and playing "how many different ways I can kill CELL troopers using the Predator Bow". In addition to the standard impact arrows (and the electric arrow for taking out nosies in bodies of water (how shocking)) I've used BOTH sorts of explosive arrows (HE and thermite) to cause some CELLular decompression - one poor trooper found himself the recipient of a thermite enema. (That's right - a thermite arrow in the posterior.) No - I don't like CELL. Hated them in Crysis 2; if anything, I hate them even MORE in THIS game. It's why I'm NOT rushing through the levels - instead, I'm looking for more and more humiliating ways of increasing the numbers of CELL corpses. (Between the stealth and the Bow, the possibilities are legion.)

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:36

I'm still wondering why they felt the need to go ONLY DX11. :/

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:33

I'm still wondering why they felt the need to go ONLY DX11. :/

And I'm still wondering why not.

It's been three and a half years...it only took six months for people to start adopting DX9...and ten years for anyone to stop.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 18:29

And I'm still wondering why not.

It's been three and a half years...it only took six months for people to start adopting DX9...and ten years for anyone to stop.


DX9c is, to put it bluntly, a boat-anchor around the neck of game developers - it's the common hardware denominator between PCs and the lowest-end game consoles. If you are going to stay with DX9c, you are basically writing glorified console ports - even if your game is PC-only.

Next - DX11 hardware - in the customer computers - has ALREADY reached the Tipping Point; nearly half the PCs running Steam have DX11-ready GPUs (latest published Steam hardware survey). That's not sales OF hardware, folks; that is already SOLD hardware.

Lastly, except for portable computers, upgrading to DX11 is cheap. The top of the midrange (HD7850 or GTX650 Ti with 2 GB of GDDR5) is around $200USD today. The bottom of that same range (GTX550 or HD7750/HD7770 with 1 GB of GDDR5) is half that - $100USD. You can afford a $50USD game (Crysis 3 Hunter Edition) but can't afford a $100USD graphics upgrade to make that game (and all your other games) more playable? No, sir - I'm not buying that argument.

A footnote - Crytek is, of all things, LATE to taking advantage of DX11 - even with Crysis 2, they had been beaten to the draw by a pair of RTS titles - Starcraft 2 (Blizzard) and Civilization V (Firaxis). Shooters are the titles that are supposed to push the edge, but even Crysis 2 got seriously walked over by two RTS titles - in the case of Firaxis and Sid Meier, neither Firaxis as a developer, and especially not Meier himself, has a history of making graphically-demanding games. As has been stated earlier in the thread, Crytek has a reputation for making graphically challenging games - how would the gaming community react to seeing Crytek lose that title to, of all things, an RTS-focussed developer, and specifically to Firaxis and Sid Meier? I can pretty much assure you that there would be more snickering over Crytek's "fall from glory" than there is by Crysis 2 and Crysis 3 players snickering over CELL.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 23:03

I didn't even buy Crysis 2 until the dx11 patch came out. I lost interest early and lost DRM activations before I actually finished the game.

Ironically, just got a new one within the last few days to try and finish it, got further than I had been, had hardware problems and no longer have any activations. Fun.

And some people think having to log in to play a game is bad...heh.



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