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#46 Draconian Guppy

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 13:55

Except ignoring all the good things that Christians (Again, not speaking for all religions, this topic is specific) HAVE done in the world with regards to charity organizations if you've spent about 5 minutes researching. Jesus sets a perfect precedence for such. Of course, there are people who are corrupt in some organizations and have abused their privileges, but this is no different than any other charities -- on a general scale on a grand scheme of things your assertion is basically incorrect.

I am not about to enter into Neowin's infamous anti-religious trolling debate so this will be my last post in this tread about this. Moving on...



Exactly.


Continuing off topic and my 2 cents.

You don't have to be a christian to be charitable... The best example is the two biggest givers are atheists...(Hint, gates) But I will agree, religion has done GOOD and BAD, you have to admit that. The problem is, for the public eye, an institution whoms sole existance should only do "good acts", which is what blackhearted response IS. What you did was analyzed and rebutted (sp?) by giving evidence in the manner, but again, as a public institution, historically speaking, I can agree based on the fact that more evil has been done ( again HISTORICALLY speaking) in the name of god...
(Yeah I know we need bad to level off and bla bla bla, not that point.).

On topic, firing someone and taking their livelyhood away is just wrong, disheartning and "do not onto others..." So she screwed up according to her religion, so by their logic "ok let's **** her life a bit more, by taking her job away, that will teach'er". Idiots, if you ask me, the very fact of inflicting this type of damage on a person, does more evil, than what she did in the first place.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 18:39

That is BS. Helping her with charity is 100% different than allowing sin and depravity under their roof by employees (which was the realtionship she had with the school).

Nice try though. People always assume that Christians have to bend over backwards and reward sin and evil... the Bible says no such thing. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Don't cast stones and think yourself sinless, but under no circomstances do you allow the sin to taint you.

Maybe if you stopped taking outdated beliefs in a fictional book as the world of law this world would be a better place. It's none of your (or anyone's) business what two consenting adults do in their own house and nor is it a sin.

Religion is responsible for scientific progress being held back and more deaths than pretty much anything else on Earth.

#48 Javik

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 18:41

No in reasonable countries, an employer can fire an employee anytime they want without giving any reason. In reasonable countries, when said emplyee goes to court to sue the employer, least they get is laughed at and escorted out of the premises.

As for the church, I think they were in their complete rights to fire her from her job for having premarital sex. Because not only is it immoral, it's hypocritical if you're preaching celibacy while one of your employees is going around getting into everyone's pants. Had she been in some other country where having premarital sex is illegal, losing her job would have been the least of her concerns. When in rome, you should do like the romans do i.e. not have sex if you work at a religious institute.


Wrong. In reasonable countries the rights reside with the citizens not with commercial interests.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:24

Unless she had a moral clause in her contract she probably has a good case. Otherwise, probably not.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:02

Wrong. In reasonable countries the rights reside with the citizens not with commercial interests.


you don't seem to understand that the business, and the land that it operates on, are private property which is owned by someone. You have the right to tell someone to get the hell of your land for any or no reason.. or even a bad reason. Employment isn't a life long contract. No wonder unemployment tends to be much larger in Europe when employers know that hiring someone is likely a life long investment, even if they are lazy or bad at their jobs.

#51 majortom1981

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:16

This, end of thread basically.. as long as she wasn't terminated because of a protected class as said above.


Its actually a protected class. A pregnant woman cannot get fired. This is a government law not a state law. Trumps everything.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:20

Was she stoned before getting fired? :woot:

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:21

you don't seem to understand that the business, and the land that it operates on, are private property which is owned by someone. You have the right to tell someone to get the hell of your land for any or no reason.. or even a bad reason.


Someone needs to look up the civil rights act, Try getting a job in a restaurant and implementing a no darkies policy and see how far you get :rolleyes:

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:22

Unless she had a moral clause in her contract she probably has a good case. Otherwise, probably not.

They probably did. I know some people who went to a similar place--a private, Christian university--and they weren't even allowed to have females in the male dormitories, or vice versa. It was in the documents you signed that you would abide by a certain set of rules. A girl who got pregnant, people caught having (unwed) sex or drinking/doing drugs on premises, guys who got caught 'streaking' or whatever, lots of people got kicked out for things like that. I would imagine the faculty would be held to an even higher standard than the students, so yeah, I could see that happening. It has nothing to do with the country it's in, as it wasn't a government-funded public school and she (presumably) broke the conduct contract.

Actually, the only sort of case I think she has is the gender-inequality thing, since the last line says they later offered a position with the school to her partner/the baby's father. That makes it more about "slut-shaming" and less about everyone upholding the same set of rules--he should have been treated the same way if they were going to do it to anyone. Looking at it that way, I'm glad she's suing, but she probably won't win--for the same reason as the rest of it, it is a private institution. It's crap, but it's the way of it.

I wouldn't agree to attend or work at a place like that.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:25

Someone needs to look up the civil rights act


do you think this woman should keep your job at a CHRISTAIN College if she converted to Islam? She broke with her religion by having premarital sex. It's a terrible example to give to young students whom are having their strongest desires to do that very thing. She doesn't need to be there any more. She signed her own pink slip.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:28

do you think this woman should keep your job at a CHRISTAIN College if she converted to Islam? She broke with her religion by having premarital sex. It's a terrible example to give to young students whom are having their strongest desires to do that very thing. She doesn't need to be there any more. She signed her own pink slip.


She was pregnant, the government states pregnant woman cannot get fired because they are pregnant. The premarital sex will not work because they only knew about that because she was pregnant. The college will have a tough time convincing a jury (some of which will be women) that they did not fire her because she was pregnant.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:29

do you think this woman should keep your job at a CHRISTAIN College if she converted to Islam? She broke with her religion by having premarital sex. It's a terrible example to give to young students whom are having their strongest desires to do that very thing. She doesn't need to be there any more. She signed her own pink slip.

My wife went to a Christian high school and there were plenty of teachers there that weren't Christian...

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:35

As a Christian man, Jesus also forgave the adulteress. Some Christian groups often forget forgiveness and mercy and exchange it for zealousness.

Who are (we) Christians to condemn and judge?

Edited by ChrisJ1968, 05 March 2013 - 20:36.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:37

Some women in Indonesia killed her male son today because she thought his weenie was too small. So do not blame Christianity , worse things happen in other religions in other counties.

Indonesian mother kills son over 'small penis'


I'm gonna go back to this one.

Nothing in that article mentions religion. So why come up with the "other religions" part? Just because she is from Indonesia doesn't mean she isn't Christian.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:40

As a Christian man, Jesus also forgave the adulteress. Some Christian groups often forget forgiveness and mercy and exchange it for zealousness.

Who are (we) Christians to condemn and judge?


It's not adultery if you're not married...