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#61 seta-san

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:47

As a Christian man, Jesus also forgave the adulteress. Some Christian groups often forget forgiveness and mercy and exchange it for zealousness.

Who are (we) Christians to condemn and judge?


there's two points to that
1. In Christianity Jesus was GOD. he had the ability to forgive sins in a way normal people couldn't.
2. Anytime he forgave sins it was backed up with "and sin no more"
3. The biggest problem with the world today from a Christian stand point is that people feel no shame in their sins anymore. If a person did a wrong in past generations there tended to be genuine feelings of guilt and fear for their soul. Today people go back to confession week after week with the same sins... and if I'd guess those aren't being forgiven because they never attempt to reform themselves.

we're perfectly able to condemn and judge. That one line from the bible isn't an open invitation to accept any sort of filth into society. never was. The point was that you should be careful on what you judge or that judgment might come back on you.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 20:57

It is absolutely bewildering to me that we have made so, so many advancements overall as a species, yet somehow many still cling on a bunch of glorified fairy tales that were meant to instill morals into people because generally speaking people are idiots, and because somehow figured out that a society that believed there was nothing else after this life had nothing to lose during this life. How we have come so far in so, so many other aspects, but have stayed in the exact same place in regards to this other aspect, literally boggles my mind.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:02

People with strong religious beliefs should be set on fire.. the world would be a better place, it's the biggest man made problem on this planet and needs abolishing.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:02

If religious values keep on growing like this, we will end up no better than any middle east countries (except for a few). This needs to stop, religion as a place, but mot in public. Even religious entities should not have the power to do things like this

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:06

Rules is rules.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:07

A chimp with an IQ of 12 could probably have figured the inference I was trying to make. Ok, let me spell it out a bit more clearly:

Reasonable countries do not have situations where people lose their jobs for things they do as consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes. Things which by rights are not even anyone else's business.


I'm pretty sure people have been fired for similar reason in "reasonable countries". It's just that those cases aren't reported as news.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:28

A woman claims she was fired for having premarital sex by a Christian college in San Diego, California.

Teri James has since filed a lawsuit against San Diego Christian College in El Cajon claiming wrongful termination.

She admits that she became pregnant through having premarital sex, and has claimed that this was the reason the Christian college dismissed her. James has now hired high profile attorney, Gloria Allred, to argue her case against SDCC, according to KGTV.

In November 2012, Allred became the attorney for Natalie Khawan, twin sister to Jill Kelley in the General David Petraeus scandal, during her custody dispute for her son.

James has claimed that she was told by the human resources director at the college that she was not being fired for being pregnant, but instead for engaging in premarital sex. She claims she was given two options; quit or be fired.

Allred has made clear these allegations, telling media sources: "The HR director indicated that she was not being fired because she was pregnant. Instead, she was being terminated because she had premarital sex."

James was reportedly fired from the Christian college four months ago, where she had been employed as a financial aid specialist.

She claims that her employers were satisfied with her work until they learned of her pregnancy out of wedlock.

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Do the words *morals clause* ring a bell?

Any professional employee (non-salaried employees in particular) at a religious institution (and a college affiliated with a religion certainly qualifies) will have such a clause in their contracts - sex resulting in pregnancy while not married is a major no-no. (An employee of a public-school district in ANY part of the United States could easily be let go for the same reason.)

It's a straightforward contract violation. No less - but no more, either.

I'm pretty sure people have been fired for similar reason in "reasonable countries". It's just that those cases aren't reported as news.


Likely not. Religious institutions that are NOT affiliated with the Democratic Party in the United States are nearly always judged differently than those that are - and especially by the press.

Is the religion of the college in question one that is seen as *evangelical*?

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:30

the rhetoric being used would get you arrested in Europe for hate speech if it was being used against Muslims, Jews, blacks, or Asians. but for some damned reason it's perfectly acceptable to use against Americans. theyarecomingforyou is a bigot to say the absolute least.

Americans aren't a race.

you don't seem to understand that the business, and the land that it operates on, are private property which is owned by someone. You have the right to tell someone to get the hell of your land for any or no reason.. or even a bad reason. Employment isn't a life long contract. No wonder unemployment tends to be much larger in Europe when employers know that hiring someone is likely a life long investment, even if they are lazy or bad at their jobs.

You clearly don't have a clue. You can get fired for being lazy or being bad at a job, having a contract which is subject to discrimination laws and disciplinary procedures is a good thing, it stops companies taking advantage of the employees and employees taking advantage of the employers. The OP is case in point, it makes me sad that you think it's acceptable to fire someone for doing something out of work hours in the privacy of their own home.

I'm pretty sure people have been fired for similar reason in "reasonable countries". It's just that those cases aren't reported as news.

You see 'reasonable countries' protect their employees as they do employers, if a company in the UK fired someone for having pre-marital sex they would be taken to an employment tribunal and would probably have to pay compensation to the employee.

Moral clauses in an employment contract is a RIDICULOUS notion.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:34

there's two points to that
1. In Christianity Jesus was GOD. he had the ability to forgive sins in a way normal people couldn't.
2. Anytime he forgave sins it was backed up with "and sin no more"
3. The biggest problem with the world today from a Christian stand point is that people feel no shame in their sins anymore. If a person did a wrong in past generations there tended to be genuine feelings of guilt and fear for their soul. Today people go back to confession week after week with the same sins... and if I'd guess those aren't being forgiven because they never attempt to reform themselves.

we're perfectly able to condemn and judge. That one line from the bible isn't an open invitation to accept any sort of filth into society. never was. The point was that you should be careful on what you judge or that judgment might come back on you.


Exactly, seta-san - it's called "pot and kettle".

Here's what I find mind-boggling: the SAME folks that decry the established religions not only are acting just as restricting as the folks they criticize, they are often much worse in their closed-mindedness. Mormons, Scientologists, and even Catholics are among the favorite targets; still, despite my OWN issues with the Roman Catholic Church, I don't target ALL religions - let alone all MAJOR religions - with the same brush.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:40

the rhetoric being used would get you arrested in Europe for hate speech if it was being used against Muslims, Jews, blacks, or Asians. but for some damned reason it's perfectly acceptable to use against Americans. theyarecomingforyou is a bigot to say the absolute least.


Says the person who thinks that Africans should be left to die. Hypocrisy at it's purest. :rofl:

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:42

Americans aren't a race.


And therefore you feel you are free to criticize Americans as a NATIONALITY - because we're NOT a race?

Jewry and Muslims aren't racial divisions, either - both are religious in nature. (Yet criticize either on that basis and you can indeed get whacked for "hate speech" in the EU.)

So why are Jewry and Muslims safe from hate speech, but Americans aren't?

Could it be that you despise the United States because we took your throwaways and thrived, and especially to the DEGREE that we have thrived?

It's NOT the fault of the United States of America, its government, OR its people that the very folks that YOU threw out and disposed of came here and were successful - that sort of thing is not exclusive to immigrants.

Instead of criticizing the United States for being successful, look at why you lose people to us.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:46

Of course I can criticize(lol) who I want when I want, I don't do it BECAUSE you are American, I do it because you have a backwards set of laws and culture.

I didn't realise disagreeing with American laws and culture is now considered hate speech.

This isn't British Empire thing but when American likens itself to home of the brave, land of the free, world police, greatest and most powerful nation on earth, expect some criticism on how you run things, if you can give you must be able to take.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 21:54

Says the person who thinks that Africans should be left to die. Hypocrisy at it's purest. :rofl:

seta-san did not mention race in her argument. It's a debate I've had with seta-san outside of Neowin, and I actually get it. It has nothing to do with race - however, it has EVERYTHING to do with the same sort of lack of civility that has been the case in the Middle East (especially between certain Arab nations and Israel). The vast majority of African governments are not democratic in ANY sense of the word - let alone as close to a republic as even South Africa is today; worse, all too many have practiced, or tried to practice, the same sort of genocide associated with Hitler, despite most being far away from any of the battlefields of World War II. How is the African Union handling these multiple near-genocides? Largely they aren't - their unstated policy is to let the two sides kill each other.

Throw in a lack of resources for most of the nations of Africa, along with that determined isolationistic streak of the AU, and you have to wonder why SHOULD the rest of the planet intervene if they themselves won't?

Race has NOTHING to do with it.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 22:02

Of course I can criticize(lol) who I want when I want, I don't do it BECAUSE you are American, I do it because you have a backwards set of laws and culture.

I didn't realise disagreeing with American laws and culture is now considered hate speech.

This isn't British Empire thing but when American likens itself to home of the brave, land of the free, world police, greatest and most powerful nation on earth, expect some criticism on how you run things, if you can give you must be able to take.


If criticizing others due to NON-racial differences (I mentioned Jewry and Muslims to make a point) CAN be (and is) considered "hate speech" - though neither is a race - why is criticizing the United States in general, and Americans in particular, fair game?

If criticism based on religion or race is barred, then why is criticism based on nationality acceptable? THAT is the REAL question I asked.

If you continue to put up that sort of skewed law, then no criticism of the United States (or the folks that live in it) can be seen as anything other than jealousy and/or tribalism disguised as nationalism.

And yes - the same applies to all OTHER nationalities.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 22:04

Moral clauses in an employment contract is a RIDICULOUS notion.


Not only that, but in the UK at least, wouldn't even be legal. No contract clauses can override statutory rights. You cannot even sign those away; you have them no matter what.

Exactly, seta-san - it's called "pot and kettle".

Here's what I find mind-boggling: the SAME folks that decry the established religions not only are acting just as restricting as the folks they criticize, they are often much worse in their closed-mindedness. Mormons, Scientologists, and even Catholics are among the favorite targets; still, despite my OWN issues with the Roman Catholic Church, I don't target ALL religions - let alone all MAJOR religions - with the same brush.


Scientology isn't a religion, it's a business; a criminal one at that.