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#31 n_K

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:35

Gnome 2 is dead and gone. There's mate but meh, after using gnome 3 in fallback mode I find gnome 2 pretty much annoying, though I find gnome annoying now for dumping fallback mode. And cinnamon would be brilliant if it didn't use 100% GPU doing buggar all, my macbook's fan runs at full speed giving a lot of heat and it lags like hell just MOVING a window, something is not right with it.

Switching from TS to Citrix :s strange choice that. I've never liked citrix, other than you can use it on a laggy-as-hell 33Kbps modem and it'll work, very slowly, but it does work, TS on the other hand disconnects you.

RE: Windows shells, there are LOADS! I remember playing around with a very nifty one years ago with a bunch of extensions... God knows what it was called, if I find the old drive I could take a look, there was a hack of it and a 64-bit version released and it had extensions etc. so yes, definately not limited to explorer.


#32 HawkMan

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 13:00

Litestep, my personal thoguh short lived favorie IceSphere/IceShell, Blackbox, and variant of blackbox and litestep in abundance. and you also have a few more flashy ones that are supposedly easier to setup and modify for the regular user but cost money.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 14:48

Just to point out, you've had the ability to switch to a different shell in Windows since forever, you don't have to use Explorer, there are alternatives out there.. granted most aren't very good, but that's not Microsoft's fault as they didn't write them. Hardly a dictatorship... just an out-of-the-box default. Got one Win8 system running with the Windows 7 shell, and another running KDE. Just saying.


I had no idea there was a port of KDE for Windows! I looked it up and it looks pretty awesome. I'm definitely going to install this in one of my Windows VMs. I really like the fact that its officially supported by the KDE project. Thanks for the tip!

#34 Max Norris

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 15:01

I had no idea there was a port of KDE for Windows! I looked it up and it looks pretty awesome. I'm definitely going to install this in one of my Windows VMs. I really like the fact that its officially supported by the KDE project. Thanks for the tip!

It's not feature complete by any stretch of the imagination, you'll wind up with more of a "Windows/KDE Hybrid" setup (uses various Windows bits instead of Linux for obvious reasons, etc), but it's still an interesting option. Personally it's not for me for day-to-day usage, but it's fun to work with on a spare setup, especially as I prefer KDE anyway when I work with a Linux desktop.. the other options just don't do it for me.

#35 GarakObama

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 15:20

Ubuntu wants Ubuntu OS and they want to monetize. I don't think Linux or the open source community is their first priority.

#36 ViperAFK

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 15:40

Just to point out, you've had the ability to switch to a different shell in Windows since forever, you don't have to use Explorer, there are alternatives out there.. granted most aren't very good, but that's not Microsoft's fault as they didn't write them. Hardly a dictatorship... just an out-of-the-box default. Got one Win8 system running with the Windows 7 shell, and another running KDE. Just saying.

On topic, just out of curiosity (lost interest in Unity a while ago, more of a KDE fan), with their switch to QT, are they still going to be using Nautilus, etc? The GTK based stuff that is. Personally not a big fan of mix-and-matching GTK and QT, just a hassle to get them all looking consistent, extra resource usage, etc. Wondering how that's going to play out.


If I had to guess they'd probably keep the gnome applications stack at first, and just get unity rewritten in QT/QML first, and then after they work on new default apps (I hope so anyway)

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 16:49

If I had to guess they'd probably keep the gnome applications stack at first, and just get unity rewritten in QT/QML first, and then after they work on new default apps (I hope so anyway)


I've been wanting them to ditch all the gnome stuff for a very long time. The Ubuntu developers want to have complete control over their OS. This is blatantly obvious because they have their own desktop environment, and now their new display server. This is somewhat a good thing, IMO because the app is deeply baked in to the OS, and they aren't at the mercy of the developer's decisions. Besides, the default apps just don't make the cut anymore with the bugs, lag, horrible UI's and lack of build in features.

Other things I would like them to fix is:

1. That black bar at the top. When you open dash, it takes the color of the quick launch bar, but close it and it's black again. I think they should make it the color of the launcher all the time. It would also be really cool if the select square and the progress bars would blend in.
2. Give us an easy way to turn off global menus and put them back where they belong.
3. A new icon theme. The current one is starting to show its age and consistency is all over the place.
4. A new sound theme. The current one is annoying. It's the first thing I hack off on a new system.

I'm sure all the general UI inconsistencies and graphical glitches will be fixed by 14.04 when Mir is integrated. :)

#38 ViperAFK

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 17:02

I've been wanting them to ditch all the gnome stuff for a very long time. The Ubuntu developers want to have complete control over their OS. This is blatantly obvious because they have their own desktop environment, and now their new display server. This is somewhat a good thing, IMO because the app is deeply baked in to the OS, and they aren't at the mercy of the developer's decisions. Besides, the default apps just don't make the cut anymore with the bugs, lag, horrible UI's and lack of build in features.

Other things I would like them to fix is:

1. That black bar at the top. When you open dash, it takes the color of the quick launch bar, but close it and it's black again. I think they should make it the color of the launcher all the time. It would also be really cool if the select square and the progress bars would blend in.
2. Give us an easy way to turn off global menus and put them back where they belong.
3. A new icon theme. The current one is starting to show its age and consistency is all over the place.
4. A new sound theme. The current one is annoying. It's the first thing I hack off on a new system.

I'm sure all the general UI inconsistencies and graphical glitches will be fixed by 14.04 when Mir is integrated. :)


I agree, the gnome stack has become increasingly disappointing, many of the apps I use these days are qt apps. I'd be using KDE if I didn't hate plasma so much (and I have issues with kwin tearing on intel graphics).

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 17:08

I've been wanting them to ditch all the gnome stuff for a very long time. The Ubuntu developers want to have complete control over their OS. This is blatantly obvious because they have their own desktop environment, and now their new display server. This is somewhat a good thing, IMO because the app is deeply baked in to the OS, and they aren't at the mercy of the developer's decisions. Besides, the default apps just don't make the cut anymore with the bugs, lag, horrible UI's and lack of build in features.

I can get behind this. My dislike of Unity isn't Unity itself, it's just the little things. Reminds me a lot of Win8.. some great ideas, but fumbled on some of the execution and makes me want to bang my head into the keyboard repeatedly. I actually like the overall Unity concept, just needs a bit of work yet.. parts of it are actually very nice. Especially liking if they lose the baggage.. get rid of Compiz (pleeeeeease), stop depending on Gnome, for the love of everything good do something with the absurdly slow search speed, etc etc. I'm not terribly thrilled with where Gnome's going, and the "variants" are neat but still bandaids (Cinnamon, etc.) Going with QT is (for me anyway) icing on the cake as I prefer it to most GTK apps... it's not the gaming that's keeping me on a Windows desktop, it's the desktops themselves. Here's hoping.

4. A new sound theme. The current one is annoying. It's the first thing I hack off on a new system.

+1000. Hated it since 7.04 lol...

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 17:14

For some reason I'm not that surprised to see Ubuntu ignore other open source projects and recreate something other people are already working on.


Wayland uses plain OpenGL via established APIs, there's nothing extra drivers have to support, the main problem is getting apps to use it (Which isn't that hard since they've been transitioning to a client drawn model for ages.)


If there's nothing extra to be supported in drivers...then why is there such a big push to get driver devs to support it?


Also from I read here...it seems to me that Mir and Wayland are basically the same...so I still don't understand why folks are bashing it.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 17:41

I agree, the gnome stack has become increasingly disappointing, many of the apps I use these days are qt apps. I'd be using KDE if I didn't hate plasma so much (and I have issues with kwin tearing on intel graphics).


+1 I've really been enjoying KDE 4.10. I have my old NVIDIA 250 GTS in my secondary machine and also have the occasional graphical glitch/weirdness. It's good to know I'm not the only one and it's not me or my system. Kwin/Compiz is cool and all, but I really wish we would just drop it already and move on to something more finer tuned. Just curious--do you have vsync turned on in kwin settings?

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 17:48

I can get behind this. My dislike of Unity isn't Unity itself, it's just the little things. Reminds me a lot of Win8.. some great ideas, but fumbled on some of the execution and makes me want to bang my head into the keyboard repeatedly. I actually like the overall Unity concept, just needs a bit of work yet.. parts of it are actually very nice. Especially liking if they lose the baggage.. get rid of Compiz (pleeeeeease), stop depending on Gnome, for the love of everything good do something with the absurdly slow search speed, etc etc. I'm not terribly thrilled with where Gnome's going, and the "variants" are neat but still bandaids (Cinnamon, etc.) Going with QT is (for me anyway) icing on the cake as I prefer it to most GTK apps... it's not the gaming that's keeping me on a Windows desktop, it's the desktops themselves. Here's hoping.


Agreed. Unity has some great killer concepts, however execution was sub par. And yes: Compiz/kwin needs to go. :D

#43 ViperAFK

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 18:18

+1 I've really been enjoying KDE 4.10. I have my old NVIDIA 250 GTS in my secondary machine and also have the occasional graphical glitch/weirdness. It's good to know I'm not the only one and it's not me or my system. Kwin/Compiz is cool and all, but I really wish we would just drop it already and move on to something more finer tuned. Just curious--do you have vsync turned on in kwin settings?


yes I do, its a known bug with kwin it tears no matter what at the top inch or so of the screen (very annoying when watching videos) :( Have to wait till 4.11 for the fix, only workaround is using the tearfree option in the intel driver, but that has terrible performance (because it enables an in-driver compositor so you end up with a lot of extra copies/extra work running two compositors)

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 18:47

yes I do, its a known bug with kwin it tears no matter what at the top inch or so of the screen (very annoying when watching videos) :( Have to wait till 4.11 for the fix, only workaround is using the tearfree option in the intel driver, but that has terrible performance (because it enables an in-driver compositor so you end up with a lot of extra copies/extra work running two compositors)


Ugh...well that sucks. Hope they fix it for you soon, then :)

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 18:58

http://www.phoronix....item&px=MTMxODA I thought the response was interesting...