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And you live in a "Normal" country...? :s

More normal then your wonderful country that thinks $3 an hour is fine. :/

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Tipping is a terrible assumption. If I owned a eating establishment, I would have large signs saying "NO TIPPING" and build it into the price.

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Tipping is a terrible assumption. If I owned a eating establishment, I would have large signs saying "NO TIPPING" and build it into the price.

That's a noble sentiment but the food industry is a cut throat industry and you might not be open long if you can't compete. There is a reason they underpay the staff.

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I know around here they make it a point of saying "delivery fees do not go to the driver". I assume it goes to maintaining the vehicles and related insurance.

I doubt it. Most delivery drivers have to use their own car and insurance. For some they even have to pay for their own gas.

The delivery fee is just a way for companies like pizza hut and dominos to make extra money.

That's a noble sentiment but the food industry is a cut throat industry and you might not be open long if you can't compete. There is a reason they underpay the staff.

There is a reason, and it's companies care more about their bottom line than their employees. Millions of restaurants around the world and even in the states that don't allow tip credit survive just fine.

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Tipping is a terrible assumption. If I owned a eating establishment, I would have large signs saying "NO TIPPING" and build it into the price.

nobody would work for you,and your prices would be seen too high. double fail.

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nobody would work for you,and your prices would be seen too high. double fail.

Sigh. There are states in America where you can't underpay your workers, and guess what the prices aren't really all that different. Companies don't cut prices because their costs went down. If people were willing to pay $10 for a burger when it cost $8 to make it, they'll still be willing to pay $10 for it when the cost drops to $4.

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Tips are what delivery people rely on to make a decent wage. Not sure what is so hard to understand about this fact.

I don't care if your country does not tip. In the United States, it is how things are set up.

I am not saying this as I believe this person deserved a $100 tip.

I am saying it because I am blown away by the amount of people in this thread trying to justify not tipping whatsoever, again, in the United States, which it is known by those of us who live here, none of these people usually even get minimum wage.

Fine, I get why foreigners may not grasp the concept, they have very different systems where gratuities are usually built in to the bill and their service oriented jobs make at least minimum wage. But if you are an American and can sit here and say these people do not deserve at the very least a 10% tip (and 10% is actually being a cheap ass person), you are in my book the lowest of the low.

I will end this with saying Karma is indeed a bitch. What comes around goes around. If you are one of those Americans who do not feel the need to tip, then you are also one of those Americans that get the special secret sauce on your pizza. Here is a hint for you, it is not tomato sauce.

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$10 is fine. He deserves $0 now for even mentioning it. Tips are not supposed to be just a thing you do, it's because they deserve it.

Carrying 85 pizza's from your work to your car and then from your car to their house deserves about 10 bucks... most people make less than that for an hour of manual labor. If you don't like it, quit.

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Even in Canada, tipping for pizza delivery is customary. The amount is entirely up to the person. I usually tip a couple of dollars for a single medium or large pizza. This guy delivered 85 pizzas so he deserved to receive more than $10. Some people said they would've tipped $20 to $30 and that's an extremely generous amount from just one person. What I would have done is is collected $1 for every pizza and possibly even throw in a $10 or $20 myself.

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So again people keep mentioning living off of tips why of why should any one have to survive on gratitude,pay them a decent minimum wage and if tips come in on top of that so they did a good service.You have got to remember not all low paid jobs are in the service sector dealing with the public they could be cleaners or cooks in the same shop who get no tips at all.

Again its company's profiteering on the back of virtual slave labour and racking in profits due to the kindness of customers who make up employees wages to what they should be paid.If a pizza costs $10 to make and serve then charge 30-50% on top for profit and pay a proper wage to your employees.

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Erm, I am aware of the 10-15-20% whatever tips one is expected to pay waiters/waitresses in the US, but does the same apply to delivery guys? I mean, I'm sure you don't tip the DHL driver? Heck I'd hate to pay $100 tip to the guy delivering my 1k video card ;-) For waiters it makes sense - it's the service for the service you get, if you order 85 pizzas in a restaurant he has to to pretty much spend the whole day at your table, but seriously - why would the tip for a one time delivery service be a % of the value of the order?

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Like I've mentioned before, I still don't believe in tipping. Like someone else mentioned, it's their job, why should they get a tip?

I don't get tips where I work.

The best tip I could give someone who thinks they should get tips, is... get a better job if ya don't make enough money.

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I never tip based on an exact amount. When eating out, I only do a percentage if I was displeased or everything was pleasant but bare minimum (15% exactly to the penny). Otherwise I'll just round to the closest whole number.

With pizza delivery I'm usually pretty good just because when I'm at the point of getting delivery, I'd do anything to get my food.

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I am saying it because I am blown away by the amount of people in this thread trying to justify not tipping whatsoever, again, in the United States, which it is known by those of us who live here, none of these people usually even get minimum wage

Actually you'll find that if they do not make $20-$30 an hour in tips they do have to be paid minimum wage. They don't ever go home with $2 an hour in their pockets.

Also what about the employers that underpay their staff because their profits are more important? Shouldn't they be the lowest of the low?

Tipping should be based on service not just because you feel bad for the person. But tipping has become the latter and wait staff seem to expect it regardless of how well they did their job. An example is that I was at red robin once (the only time this happened there) and our food was cold because the waitress left it at the counter for too long (about 30mins or so), she didn't refill out drinks even once and forgot about the salad we ordered. Needless to say she got a $0 tip, and she then comes over and says sarcastically "thanks for nothing." Seriously? You didn't even try to do your job correctly and you expected a tip for it?

I can't speak for everyone but some people in this country don't like tipping because they get paid minimum wage at a job that doesn't allow tipping so they don't see why someone else should get tipped. For example regional pilots in this country make like $15k a year, and they don't get tipped for it.

Im not against tipping, I think it's good to show gratitude for getting good service. But it should be illegal for employers to underpay their staff because that's just pathetic.

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The only way to get away form the horrible practice of tipping for pay is to not tip. then the people will demand or have to be paid decent normal pay. Tippers are the ones who keep this abuse alive.

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surely $3 an hour isn't legal?

No one gets paid $3/hour in the US legally. Why people can't understand the DoL Minimum Wage regulations? I have no idea, but don't let these people get you wrapped in the mindset that this guy is making $3/hour or something absurd.

He likely makes like $3 an hour and most of his money is earned on tips, plus he has to pay for gas in his own car. So the tip should have been much higher then that, even 3% on that bill would have been $44.

Go see how long it takes you to load up and unload 85 pizzas...

No he's not... Seriously...

The ONLY way an employer is allowed to lower the wage of an employee who makes a large share of their earnings from tips is WHEN THERE IS ENOUGH TIP REVENUE TO ENSURE THE WAGE RATE IS STILL ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE. So, mandatory tipping hoping to save some poor destitute worker who makes pennies an hour is false. By tipping, for that reason, you're only offering his employer a discount NOT THE WORKER. The worker will make minimum wage regardless, that is the law.

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Even in Canada, tipping for pizza delivery is customary. The amount is entirely up to the person. I usually tip a couple of dollars for a single medium or large pizza. This guy delivered 85 pizzas so he deserved to receive more than $10. Some people said they would've tipped $20 to $30 and that's an extremely generous amount from just one person. What I would have done is is collected $1 for every pizza and possibly even throw in a $10 or $20 myself.

Why? The guy got $10 tip so he earned at least $13 that hour, way above minimum wage and more than a lot of people earn.

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No one gets paid $3/hour in the US legally. Why people can't understand the DoL Minimum Wage regulations? I have no idea, but don't let these people get you wrapped in the mindset that this guy is making $3/hour or something absurd.

No he's not... Seriously...

The ONLY way an employer is allowed to lower the wage of an employee who makes a large share of their earnings from tips is WHEN THERE IS ENOUGH TIP REVENUE TO ENSURE THE WAGE RATE IS STILL ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE. So, mandatory tipping hoping to save some poor destitute worker who makes pennies an hour is false. By tipping, for that reason, you're only offering his employer a discount NOT THE WORKER. The worker will make minimum wage regardless, that is the law.

err....wrong. Sorry.

Minimum wage of someone earning tips must be at least $2.13 per hour. (so feasably they could earn $3 per hour)

A tipped employee is someone who earns at least $30 per month on tips (according to dept of labor). Only then can you reduce from the standard minimum to a tipped minimum wage.

So in theory if someone has a really bad month, they could earn less than current standard minimum wage.

Here's something I didn't know however :-

Section 3(m) of the FLSA permits an employer to take a tip credit toward its minimum wage obligation for tipped employees equal to the difference between the required cash wage (which must be at least $2.13) and the federal minimum wage. Thus, the maximum tip credit that an employer can currently claim under the FLSA is $5.12 per hour (the minimum wage of $7.25 minus the minimum required cash wage of $2.13).

So the employer can actually claim a credit whilst paying below standard minimum wage for tipped employees.

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Why? The guy got $10 tip so he earned at least $13 that hour, way above minimum wage and more than a lot of people earn.

Wow.. the amount of explaining that needs to be done in this thread is insane. <The following statement is based on geographic location, in this case North East US> Look at it like this, a standard pizza is about $12, if that were to get delivered to my house I would most likely tip $2 or $3. This person delivered 85 pizzas.. can you even imagine 85 pizza boxes being delivered, most likely to an office? The amount of time needed to drop off 1 pizza vs 85 pizzas is most likely significantly longer. Which means less amount of deliveries. Usually this is ok because such a large delivery will be well worth the tip... not in this case. I feel that the tip should have been about $50 for this type of delivery, just how it is. This to me is the equivalent of those stories I hear about waitresses getting a $10 tip on a $350 bill.

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Wow.. the amount of explaining that needs to be done in this thread is insane. <The following statement is based on geographic location, in this case North East US> Look at it like this, a standard pizza is about $12, if that were to get delivered to my house I would most likely tip $2 or $3. This person delivered 85 pizzas.. can you even imagine 85 pizza boxes being delivered, most likely to an office? The amount of time needed to drop off 1 pizza vs 85 pizzas is most likely significantly longer. Which means less amount of deliveries. Usually this is ok because such a large delivery will be well worth the tip... not in this case. I feel that the tip should have been about $50 for this type of delivery, just how it is. This to me is the equivalent of those stories I hear about waitresses getting a $10 tip on a $350 bill.

Well you didn't appear to explain very well.

Did it take longer than an hour to deliver the 85 pizzas? If not then the guy received roughly $13 per hour which is well above minimum wage.

And the cost of a pizza shouldn't have anything to do with it.

If you go into a restuarant and get a $10 steak and a drink. Bill total of $15. Waiter is very nice, timely etc. You are expected to leave a tip. That's fine.

If you go into the exact same restuarant, get the exact same waiter and his service is the exact same (very nice, timely etc). but this time you order a $40 steak and a drink. Bill total of $45. Why should you be expected to pay more just because you ordered more expensive food?

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Anyone who expects a tip would get a debate and no money from me.

A tip is a reward and should not be expected.

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My question to this whole story: And?

Don't like it? Too bad, no one is obligated to give you anything in the first place and if the pay is so bad why don't you quit and find a new job?

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I guess the issue is in the UK a tip is gratuity additional to a standard minimum wage not as appears to be in the US part of it.The later as I have stated already does not sit well with me and just shows how backward the US employer/employee relationship is.

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These guys like waters live off of their tips. They get minimum wage and this pizza guy deserved way more than $10.00.

And you live in a "Normal" country...? :s

Food cost: ?15

Delivery fee: ?1

This is what I would expect to pay if I bought a pizza. I'm already paying for delivery so I don't feel obliged to tip. Why would I? I do occasionally tip but I would never feel like I have to tip, and if somebody expected a tip I'd tell them where to go. I pay the food company and the food company pays the driver; it's not my job to pay their wage.

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Food cost: ?15

Delivery fee: ?1

This is what I would expect to pay if I bought a pizza.

Ouch. Forgotten how expensive food is in the UK. That's around $24 for a pizza.

Can get an 18 inch supreme pizza here for $9.95 (around 6-7 pounds).

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