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Do it like the talibans: stone 'em to death. That'll rid the world of another scum plus all those $ saved. :D

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Do it like the talibans: stone 'em to death. That'll rid the world of another scum plus all those $ saved. :D

It's not just the Taliban that has stoning death sentences....

Although right now I can't think of the other nations.....

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To the contrary - most people fully understand the cost and are willing to pay it as regards child predators - which are seen as among the lowest of the low.

I think the point they were making was a more general one. The US has the highest incarceration rate on the planet and that has a significant cost, both socially and economically. If it significantly reduced crime that would be one thing but the US crime rate is no lower than other countries and in many cases is higher.

The other issue to consider is that this man was merely a consumer of child pornography - he didn't make it. I understand the logic that persecuting... sorry, prosecuting consumers of child pornography is designed to reduce the amount of content being created but it's targeted at the wrong people. It's also worth noting that simulated child pornography?that which does not involve actual children?is treated just as harshly. Why is it illegal for people to own simulated child porn when it's perfectly legal to own video games and movies depicting simulated rape, drug-use and murder?

Don't get me wrong, this guy sounds like he deserves to be behind bars but it's completely disproportionate that his sentence is so much more severe than that of prolific serial killers and rapists.

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If he were just a consumer of pornography in the broad sense 90% of people wouldn't give a s**t, but child / kiddie pornography is a bridge too far for Americans. Consuming it encourages a market in child abuse, and the case can be made that consumers of it are likely to be participants as well since sharing among molesters is well known.

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If he were just a consumer of pornography in the broad sense 90% of people wouldn't give a s**t, but child / kiddie pornography is a bridge too far for Americans. Consuming it encourages a market in child abuse, and the case can be made that consumers of it are likely to be participants as well since sharing among molesters is well known.

It is hard to argue hypotheticals (as there are a lot of details on this one most of us don't know or care to find out). That being said, I suspect that it is likely that this particular person found the illegal content for free to download online. Some other perv probably got off on distributing the content online. Whoever did that probably would have done so w/ or w/o this particular person in this article. How does that exactly encourage the market of child abuse?

Theyarecomingforyou is correct that my post above was more broadly worded in that Americans are disassociated with the cost of keeping someone in prison and there is nothing to show that it is leading to a safer society for us. We are a revenge state, not exactly a justice state IMO.

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While I agree that there are many nonviolent crimes where prison terms are generally overkill, child / kiddie porn charges are not one of them. The producers & distributors, paid or unpaid, are primary offenders directly tied to the abuse, and all too often so are the consumers - with the distribution being more of a trading mechanism.

Then you definitely have people who feed their compulsions with their "products" until they evolve / degenerate to a state where imagery is insufficient. IMO heading these off before they actually abuse or kill a kid is just as important because the number of kids they abuse on average - I've head 50-100 before they're caught - and the recidivism rate once they are caught, are too high to ignore.

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If he were just a consumer of pornography in the broad sense 90% of people wouldn't give a s**t, but child / kiddie pornography is a bridge too far for Americans. Consuming it encourages a market in child abuse, and the case can be made that consumers of it are likely to be participants as well since sharing among molesters is well known.

The problem is that it's entirely disproportionate. If this sentence was for the producer of the content then I could certainly understand it but it's not - it's for some pervert. As for participation, then surely people who watch films and video games revolving around rape and murder should also be jailed? It seems strange that one is openly embraced by society yet the other is condemned to the highest extent possible.

While I agree that there are many nonviolent crimes where prison terms are generally overkill, child / kiddie porn charges are not one of them. The producers & distributors, paid or unpaid, are primary offenders directly tied to the abuse, and all too often so are the consumers - with the distribution being more of a trading mechanism.

I disagree. If somebody is producing the content or participating in it then they should obviously be dealt with severely through the criminal justice system. If not?and there is no evidence that they have paid for it, which would be facilitating a criminal act?then I don't see the danger posed to society. As I said, people that watch violent films and play violent video games don't go out and start murdering people so why do we demonise those who watch child pornography? It seems to me that consumers of child pornography are targeted because they're much easier to find.

Then you definitely have people who feed their compulsions with their "products" until they evolve / degenerate to a state where imagery is insufficient. IMO heading these off before they actually abuse or kill a kid is just as important because the number of kids they abuse on average - I've head 50-100 before they're caught - and the recidivism rate once they are caught, are too high to ignore.

Then surely alcohol should be banned to prevent people from drink driving? And we best ban films depicting rape, as they might lead somebody to commit rape in real life. People who rape and abuse children should be dealt with severely under the law but you're conflating consumers with producers and participants; your retorts are very similar to the accusations against video games put forward by the gun lobby when they want to distract from the issues with gun ownership.

It just strikes me as bizarre that murderers can be let out within their life time - even within a decade - yet somebody who watches child porn can be jailed for life. I'm not defending the guy, I'm simply at a loss as to why people react so irrationally when it comes to people watching child porn.

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Wow I know this is sick and everything, but would he have gotten as long a sentence if he'd murdered somebody? I feel that is worse of a crime.

Nowadays punishments seldom fit the severity of the crime.

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I'd say, that's not enough...I'd give him three (thousand)...and I'd burn his junk with a hot fire-poker every 15 minutes. B*****d! :angry:

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Owning child pornography is of course wrong, but shouldn't be worth worse sentences than actual murder, rape and such crimes. This is some kind of witch hunt we're seeing and it gets on my nerves.

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I'd say, that's not enough...I'd give him three (thousand)...and I'd burn his junk with a hot fire-poker every 15 minutes. B*****d! :angry:

That would give you pleasure would it; torturing a man because of his mental disorder?

Ironic really.

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