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#226 Ian William

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:29

calling it Metro instead of Modern UI


No offense, but if that comment had been at the end of your list of Thurrott problems, you would have been given the Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking award.


"Boot to desktop" would only be useful for the present because Modern UI has poor integration with legacy, and would only actually work well in a server environment where there isn't normal use anyway.


Don't you think it would be useful for people who primarily use the desktop? It would prevent them from having to click the Desktop tile.
Edit: See CSharp's post.


#227 Davo

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 17:57

No offense, but if that comment had been at the end of your list of Thurrott problems, you would have been given the Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking award.

It's important to note that almost always it's the Win8 haters calling it Metro. It's a refusal to accept that the name for the UI style changed (or just flat out being uninformed) and coincidentally, a refusal to accept that the OS has changed too. I can't take any discussions about it seriously with someone not even knowing what it is or not being current enough on the subject to call it what it really is. It's a prime example of why I find him annoying at best.


Don't you think it would be useful for people who primarily use the desktop? It would prevent them from having to click the Desktop tile.
Edit: See CSharp's post.

It might save people a click and a few seconds but it would slow down the development of Modern UI horribly. It's half baked right now and if people have a way of skipping it and the only apps are the half hearted ones from MS, it'll be a mess when it finally becomes the majority of the OS. It also doesn't take into account that the OS is supposed to be multi-device.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 18:00

It's important to note that almost always it's the Win8 haters calling it Metro. It's a refusal to accept that the name for the UI style changed (or just flat out being uninformed) and coincidentally, a refusal to accept that the OS has changed too. I can't take any discussions about it seriously with someone not even knowing what it is or not being current enough on the subject to call it what it really is. It's a prime example of why I find him annoying at best.

Did you read the source from which I quoted in my previous post?

Several readers wrote to me to scold me for not calling it the Metro interface. Sorry, but that is not what Microsoft calls it, as we learned this summer. Nor is its name the Modern interface; that was an early, internal name Microsoft had for it. When you ask Microsoft what it’s called, the company says it should simply be called “Windows 8,” insisting that it’s not two different environments at all.



#229 +warwagon

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 16:42

I got a kick out of this. Yesterday I was watching the movie

"Idiocracy" (2004)

Private Joe Bauers, the definition of "average American", is selected by the Pentagon to be the guinea pig for a top-secret hibernation program. Forgotten, he awakes 500 years in the future. He discovers a society so incredibly dumbed-down that he's easily the most intelligent person alive.


A guy from the future was watching tv and it made me laugh.

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#230 Dashel

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 16:43

It might save people a click and a few seconds but it would slow down the development of Modern UI horribly. It's half baked right now and if people have a way of skipping it and the only apps are the half hearted ones from MS, it'll be a mess when it finally becomes the majority of the OS. It also doesn't take into account that the OS is supposed to be multi-device.


I honestly don't see how it would slow development (vs adoption) or create a mess once Metro gains traction. Nor effect its ability to be multi-device (if anything, it emphasizes that aspect).

#231 BajiRav

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 16:53

I got a kick out of this. Yesterday I was watching the movie

"Idiocracy" (2004)


A guy from the future was watching tv and it made me laugh.

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so future looks like Google Play store?

#232 Ian William

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:44

While using the Blue pre-release, a common sense fix entered my mind.

A Rename option for the left click "context menu" of Modern application tiles would be a nice addition.

Edit: I'm still hoping for something like this.
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#233 Javik

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:07

It's important to note that almost always it's the Win8 haters calling it Metro. It's a refusal to accept that the name for the UI style changed (or just flat out being uninformed) and coincidentally, a refusal to accept that the OS has changed too. I can't take any discussions about it seriously with someone not even knowing what it is or not being current enough on the subject to call it what it really is. It's a prime example of why I find him annoying at best.


Has the thought ever occurred to you that people can still use the term "Metro" in reference to the design paradigm rather than the start screen? Get the hell off your soapbox. Besides, I don't call things modern that look like a throwback to Windows 3.1 computing.

#234 Davo

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 16:29

Has the thought ever occurred to you that people can still use the term "Metro" in reference to the design paradigm rather than the start screen? Get the hell off your soapbox. Besides, I don't call things modern that look like a throwback to Windows 3.1 computing.


It's a refusal to accept that the name for the UI style changed (or just flat out being uninformed) and coincidentally, a refusal to accept that the OS has changed too.



#235 threetonesun

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 16:39

I call it Metro and I like Windows 8. :laugh:

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:32

I'm glad to see Microsoft starting to integrate UI elements like the search icon into the app window :

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And apparently the 'all apps' button is gone in Windows Blue, and the tiling system is somewhat more flexible. Baby steps.

#237 Ian William

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:33

I'm not sure if posting the following information in this topic is appropriate, but I don't know where else to put it (without creating a new one).

According to Paul Thurrott, Windows "Blue" will fix one of the annoyances in Windows 8: no unified search results.

In Windows 8, Search is activated via the Search charm (WINKEY + Q, or Charms, Search) and provides a full-screen experience that can be filtered by apps, settings, files, or by individual Metro-style apps.

The big complaint about this interface is the separation of apps, settings, and files: In Windows 7, applications, settings, and files all appeared in-line, together, in the search results (which occurred in the Start menu in that release). So the Windows 8 Search experience requires an extra step if you are looking for a setting (a Control Panel or PC Settings item).

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In Windows 8.1 “Blue,” this is changing.
Now, there’s just a single Search experience for apps, settings, and files, so there’s no need to choose the type of result unless of course you’re trying to filter it to a specific Metro app.


Edit: I can't believe I missed the Neowin artice regarding the same subject. Sorry about that...

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 18:05

FYI, the latest version (1.15) of Start8 now allows you to use the (fullscreen) Windows 8 style start screen but leave the task bar visible at the same time. Alternatively, you can have it default to the (Windows 8 style) applications view, too. :)

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