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#76 BajiRav

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:30

But why hide the "All apps" menu in the first place? Why isn't visible on the button on the screen somewhere?

because the idea is that you don't use it all the time? Pin what you need to start or taskbar and be done with it. Your tech support scenario has no bearing on UI design otherwise we will need a dedicated button on start for device manager, antivirus etc etc.


#77 psionicinversion

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:30

maybe windows 8 is the first iteration in creating an OS that is touch friendly whilst also using keyboard of mouse to. There are all in one computers with big touchscreen and use keyboard and mouse to type and some stuff around now, so because touchscreens will be the future, having an OS that you can do both could speed up productivity. Its not just for business and that, you could do work and computer at home then let your child draw stuff with paint, prolly a program where they need to touch sections which colours it in. My friend gives her 3 year old child her phone to play with and thats touchscreen so they'll be more used to that by the time they grow up.

All this touchscreen tech and stuff is a stepping stone to holographic display and input which will be touch/gesture controlled. So stop thinking its all bad, this is heading towards the next generation of input, and ya cant wait for the tech to come out then slap some buggy crappy piece of crap to run it cus it wont work. needs to evolve over time mistake will be made, UI improved etc. think to the future not just present

#78 c.grz

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:31

By clutter you mean icons for key functionality of an OS?


That's an opinion. I like the "non-cluttered" look of the start screen. Just the shortcuts I need and nothing more. And on the off chance that one is missing; I go to "All apps" and select the ones I want and boom.

#79 +warwagon

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:34

That's an opinion. I like the "non-cluttered" look of the start screen. Just the shortcuts I need and nothing more. And on the off chance that one is missing; I go to "All apps" and select the ones I want and boom.


Then how about, on by screen by default, but an option to turn it off for people like you.

#80 f0rk_b0mb

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:40

I can think of very few tasks where you "need" more than two or three windows open at any given time. My work rarely requires more than two. The rest can sit off the side of the screen, and wait for me to come back to them.

Now, unless you're some hotshot, "power user" still stuck in the past, pretending that a zillion and one things cluttered all over the screen, is "cool", and somehow makes you think you're better than everyone else, Metro will work for you, and does not prohibit any kind of productivity. It also adds functionality you'll never get on the desktop. It's just a different way of displaying and using what we've already learned from using Windows these past 20 years.


What I have open right now:

1. Chrome
2. Homework in a word document
3. Foobar2k

It's very easy to do and you don't have to be a power user to do it. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean that it should be hell for other people to do. Everything else you said is quite ignorant.

#81 Dot Matrix

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:42

Then how about, on by screen by default, but an option to turn it off for people like you.


All it takes is one click from the Search Charm to access anywhere in the OS, compared to the two you need to make in Windows 7. One click is not that big of a deal, no matter what anyone says. If you're that bothered by a single click, then I almost feel sorry for you.

It's bad design to fill the screen with clutter. If you've noticed, Microsoft has been cleaning up the UI system wide for some time now. Nothing is on the screen that doesn't need to be.

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#82 f0rk_b0mb

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:43

Nor does research, nor does coding, nor does graphic design, and nor does note taking. ;)


Yes it does...minus the note takeing....

#83 threetonesun

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:45

What I have open right now:

1. Chrome
2. Homework in a word document
3. Foobar2k

It's very easy to do and you don't have to be a power user to do it. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean that it should be hell for other people to do. Everything else you said is quite ignorant.


Except, you can have a music player open, and split screen a browser and Word in Modern just as well. The odds that you're inputting data into all three applications at once is ... slim.

#84 Dot Matrix

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:49

What I have open right now:

1. Chrome
2. Homework in a word document
3. Foobar2k

It's very easy to do and you don't have to be a power user to do it. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean that it should be hell for other people to do. Everything else you said is quite ignorant.


I have multiple things "open" right now too. However, as the screenshot above shows, no more than two windows on screen at a time. In fact, all my open stuff is all maximized. I windowed Explorer and Word just for the purpose of that screenshot.

You can easily have those same apps open at the same time, even if they were Metro.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 18:27

Regarding login being unintuitive:

The first thing most people will do is click somewhere.


I have to revise this. You can also hit a key. There is no action you can take that won't bring up the login pane except unplugging the computer.

#86 Hitman2000

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 20:09

regardless of wheter you think win 8 is the greatest thing since sliced bread, you have to admit 1 thing;
people in general dont like change, xp still has some 20% marketshare 12 years on.... and that has only really fallen in the last few years, for best part of a decade few hundred million comps where running xp.

win 8 is a big change in lots of minds, so there will always be resistance whether its justified or not.

add to that some genuine frustrating aspects combined with negative reviews and you have another vista debacle waiting to happen...





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Posted 13 March 2013 - 20:15

win 8 is a big change in lots of minds, so there will always be resistance whether its justified or not.

add to that some genuine frustrating aspects combined with negative reviews and you have another vista debacle waiting to happen...


If it weren't a big change, people would simply claim that 8 was a service pack that they were charged for.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 21:29

If it weren't a big change, people would simply claim that 8 was a service pack that they were charged for.

so windows 95 to ME/2000? :rofl:

#89 xWhiplash

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 21:47

I can think of very few tasks where you "need" more than two or three windows open at any given time. My work rarely requires more than two. The rest can sit off the side of the screen, and wait for me to come back to them.

Now, unless you're some hotshot, "power user" still stuck in the past, pretending that a zillion and one things cluttered all over the screen, is "cool", and somehow makes you think you're better than everyone else, Metro will work for you, and does not prohibit any kind of productivity. It also adds functionality you'll never get on the desktop. It's just a different way of displaying and using what we've already learned from using Windows these past 20 years.


Um, there are jobs that require you to compare to things at once. How can you EASILY accomplish this? Oh yeah, to see them BOTH AT ONCE. Need recreate a PDF in InDesign almost perfectly? Can you imaging having to tab out thousands of times during your work day so you can compare the two to make sure they are very identical?

Most of these examples I am providing say two monitors. But of course with the way Non-metro windows works, you can resize things if you only have one monitor.

Doing a podcast also comes to mind. You can make sure everybody's audio is recording on one screen (or the audio recording software has not crashed), and have your research material (for discussion or whatever the podcast is about) on the other monitor. If you are using Skype and are waiting for a guest to arrive, you can have that window always visible to you can just glance at it every few seconds instead of tabbing to it.

Programming tutorials really benefit from having TWO THINGS open at once for a long period of time. This is what I do, I have the finished sample on one screen, and the screen that is recording on the other monitor.

Website browsing + productivity software really benefits from having them both open and visible at once.

Playing a borderless full screen game (which means tabbing out does not take a couple of seconds) while also talking to your friends through a separate IM client (non steam or xfire if that is still around) on another monitor.

Sometimes....it takes more time to tab between applications than it is to simply move your mouse and set its focus. Do I need to go on with these examples?

#90 xWhiplash

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 21:55

No disrepect here; but I can't conceive of how you're using your computer that you're hitting the start screen 3 to 6 times a day. The only time I see the start screen is when I reboot; and with the press of the Windows key away it goes and I never see it again until next reboot.


Sigh.....Did you actually read what I said about it? I boot from OS X to Windows many times a day. OS X has some productivity software that I do not have on Windows that I need to use and vice versa. THEREFORE, I switch between the two many times a day.....how is that hard to understand?

I have some games installed on OS X and some games installed on Windows. So sometimes if I feel like playing a game that is on one of those, I switch to that OS.