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Google has recently been taking a hard line on the US patent system, claiming that it over-rewards the work of coming up with an idea while taxing those who do the work of actually implementing it. The company also takes issue with excessive patent litigation from so-called "patent trolls," and now Google is encouraging companies to work together to cross-license patents to help cut down on frivolous lawsuits. On a new site that Google launched today, the company outlines four different, royalty-free patent licensing agreements that it believes will help protect participants from patent trolls.

It's also asking for interested parties to take a survey and submit feedback on its proposals to help determine which of the approaches it outlined is the most interesting to potential participants. Google's looking to collect feedback on the issue by April 9th, though it's not yet clear what the next steps will be following that deadline. Similarly, it's not yet clear how willing companies will be to work with Google on this initiative, though we imagine many will find Google the lesser evil when compared to patent trolls.

http://www.theverge....p-patent-trolls

[vcfan]

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we don't have patents so lets try to weasel our way from having to play by the rules. wah wah

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vcfan, on 12 March 2013 - 15:16, said:

we don't have patents so lets try to weasel our way from having to play by the rules. wah wah

Where does it say that at? And Google has plenty of patents.

[vcfan]

techbeck, on 12 March 2013 - 15:25, said:

Where does it say that at? And Google has plenty of patents.

their patents are weak. Google has been trying to change the rules so they can steal without repercussions. They want to take someone elses intellectual property then give it away for free.Comparies spend billions in R&D,google feels entitled. They are a bunch of hypocrites as well. They tried to buy the Nortel patents but got outsmarted. They bought the IBM patents. They bought Motorola for their patents. In the end they screwed themselves and still have weak patents,and have been trying to push for rule changes since.

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vcfan, on 12 March 2013 - 15:41, said:

their patents are weak. Google has been trying to change the rules so they can steal without repercussions. They want to take someone elses intellectual property then give it away for free.Comparies spend billions in R&D,google feels entitled. They are a bunch of hypocrites as well. They tried to buy the Nortel patents but got outsmarted. They bought the IBM patents. They bought Motorola for their patents. In the end they screwed themselves and still have weak patents,and have been trying to push for rule changes since.

You said they didnt have patents...now saying they have patents but are weak. Which is it?

And how do you know what Google is trying to do here. Making a lot of assumptions. Google is correct that the patent system is f'ed up. And they will start producing phones from Motorola. Just a matter of time.

[vcfan]

techbeck, on 12 March 2013 - 15:47, said:

You said they didnt have patents...now saying they have patents but are weak. Which is it?

its a hyperbole.smh

[thealexweb]

vcfan, on 12 March 2013 - 15:16, said:

Google bought 2000 patents from IBM and got thousands more from Motorola, combine that with the few hundred it already had. You don't Nokia and Microsoft falling over themselves to try and license them. Works both ways you know.

[vcfan]

thealexweb, on 12 March 2013 - 16:42, said:

Google bought 2000 patents from IBM and got thousands more from Motorola, combine that with the few hundred it already had. You don't Nokia and Microsoft falling over themselves to try and license them. Works both ways you know.

useless patents.If these patents carried any weight in the industry, Microsoft wouldn't have been able to get android OEMS to pay up so willingly .Google would have had a hand in cross licensing,which they couldn't. Microsoft and apple cross license because they have worthy patents.

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vcfan, on 12 March 2013 - 16:45, said:

useless patents.If these patents carried any weight in the industry, Microsoft wouldn't have been able to get android OEMS to pay up so willingly .Google would have had a hand in cross licensing,which they couldn't. Microsoft and apple cross license because they have worthy patents.

Different patents. Android uses patents owned by MS and thus has to pay. MS doesnt apparently or else they would have to pay Android.

Its not about paying willining, its about paying or getting sued and have to pay even more. More companies should do cross licensing and stop this patent trolling suing everyone who infringes on anothers property. You know, get along for the sake of the consumers since hte consumers are the ones who suffer ultimately.

Apple and MS has had this agreement for years and has nothing really to do with their patents or how worthy they are.

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techbeck, on 12 March 2013 - 16:52, said:

Different patents. Android uses patents owned by MS and thus has to pay. MS doesnt apparently or else they would have to pay Android.

exactly. googles patents are worthless in that industry. that's what im saying.

techbeck, on 12 March 2013 - 16:52, said:

Its not about paying willining, its about paying or getting sued and have to pay even more. More companies should do cross licensing and stop this patent trolling suing everyone who infringes on anothers property. You know, get along for the sake of the consumers since hte consumers are the ones who suffer ultimately.

Microsoft would gladly license to google,but google doesn't want to pay. Its actually better if Microsoft licenses to google,because this way it doesn't have to go to each individual OEM and make them sign.

techbeck, on 12 March 2013 - 16:52, said:

Apple and MS has had this agreement for years and has nothing really to do with their patents or how worthy they are.

Of course it does. What good is trading your worthy patent for a worthless one? That would be the dumbest thing ever. Its like giving away your patents. Microsoft wants something Apple has,and Apple wants something Microsoft has.Its a fair trade. If google wanted to trade up some of their search stuff for some mobile patents, there could be a deal in place between them and Microsoft. Except google doesn't want to do that. And since they don't want to do that,Microsoft will keep going and getting it from the OEMs,and google will keep complaining about patents.

[ichi]

vcfan, on 12 March 2013 - 15:16, said:

we don't have patents so lets try to weasel our way from having to play by the rules. wah wah

Not everyone has a huge patent portfolio, and some companies working on related technologies would surely feel more comfortable developing their products backed with at the very least a defined common patent pool rather than wasting their time navigating the patent minefield scattered through thousand of third parties.

Something like OIN but not restricted to Linux.

I'm not sure how you get to the "weasel our way from having to play by the rules" when groups like the OIN are built precisely on the intent of playing by the rules to the letter.

[-Razorfold]

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Google has recently been taking a hard line on the US patent system, claiming that it over-rewards the work of coming up with an idea while taxing those who do the work of actually implementing it.

That's a silly way to put it. Companies spend billions on R&D, testing etc just to come up with an idea. It doesn't just drop out of the sky in a second.

Granted I'm talking about real technology patents here, not oh look my phone has rounded corners.

[ichi]

-Razorfold, on 12 March 2013 - 22:20, said:

Companies spend billions on R&D, testing etc just to come up with an idea.

Some do, some don't. That's the thing: either you lower the rewards or raise the quality bar for patent granting. Or maybe both, considering that tech patents last long enough to not only give the owner a head start and ROI, but for the tech to become obsolete before the patent expires.

As things stand now it's perfectly possible that on average they are being greatly over-rewarded.

[Growled]

Regardless of all the above, they are right. It's a no win situation for everyone involved. Especially when the patent office allows patents like rounded corners.

[Arceles]

vcfan it's at the level of dot matrix but with another set of realty transformed facts