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#1 Crisp

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 14:31

Study: early birds had four wings

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The ancestors of modern birds probably had four wings rather than two, according to a study of fossils found in a Chinese museum.

The four-winged early birds had been identified from fossilised remains a number of years ago, but it was unclear whether the creatures were precursors to modern birds or whether they represented an evolutionary cul-de-sac and had simply died out.

However, eleven skeletons of primitive birds discovered at the Shandong Tianyu Museum of Nature feature evidence of having large feathers on their hind limbs. The remains date from the early Cretaceous period (around 120 million years ago) and, according to the study, "provide solid evidence for the existence of enlarged leg feathers on a variety of basal birds".

Today's two-winged situation could then be the result of a gradual reduction in feathering of these hind limbs, probably as a result of the birds living on the ground and needing to walk around unencumbered.

"If an animal has big feathers on its legs and feet, it's definitely something that's not good for fast running," said Xing Xu from Linyi University in Shandong province in an interview with New Scientist.

The fossil finds help bolster the case for four-winged early birds, however the evidence is not definitive. As a result, Xu and his fellow researchers intend to look to other remains in the museum's collection as well as investigating whether the feathers and wings would have been capable of flight.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:43

The second set of "wings" act more like the stabilators on the rear of a fighter jet than flapping lift-producing wings. The parrot pic doesn't show how they looked, but these do -

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:57

When you mention flying species with 4 wings there's only one thing I can think of... :p


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:22

Did they catch the worm?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:15

Too bad they died off. They look rather cool.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 03:21

3 parts - Some comments that are serious after a quick joke
This bird has 10 for 6.99.

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Wow actually this makes sense since it probably could have been if you believe:

Evolution where the ground animals took to flight.

Or Theology-
Leviticus 11:20, "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you."

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 03:30

Or Theology-
Leviticus 11:20, "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you."


A lot of translations say insects instead of fowls, but that's interesting if the original was referring to birds.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 03:35

A lot of translations say insects instead of fowls, but that's interesting if the original was referring to birds.


Some would possibly call it a Griffon....but imagine if the hind legs also had feathers too.

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http://www.newadvent...then/01517a.htm

GRIFFON. — So D.V., Leviticus 11:13 (whereas Deuteronomy 14:12, we read "grype") translates theHebrew, pérés, the "breaker" whereby the lammergeyer or bearded vulture, gypœtus barbatus, the largest and most magnificent of the birds of prey is probably intended. The opinion that the Bible here speaks of the fabulous griffon, i.e. a monster begotten from a lion and an eagle, and characterized by the beak, neck, and wings of an eagle and the legs and rump of a lion, is based only on a misinterpretation of the word.
GRIFFON-VULTURE, a probable translation in several cases of the Hebrew, néshér, regularly rendered by eagle. This most majestic bird (gyps fulvus), the type, as it seems, of the eagle-headed figures of Assyriansculpture, is most likely referred to in Mich., i, 16, on account of its bare neck and head.



So just imagine if this was that animal spoken of in the Bible.

What if it had paws like a lion but also feathers.

Also have a read of other translations:
http://bible.cc/leviticus/11-20.htm


American Standard Version
All winged creeping things that go upon all fours are an abomination unto you.



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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:17

but wingged insects goes all six not all four?
John the baptist eats insect too.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:46

but wingged insects goes all six not all four?
John the baptist eats insect too.


And thus is why some feel it was not translaTed correctly ...and the abomonation was that this animal ...man would not have domination over... remember gennesis .

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:59

It may have been a larger version of the Dragon Fly species

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:10

Erm, you do realize it would have died out millions of years ago, before the human race and certainly before the bible.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:15

Somehow this has drifted from paleontology to cryptozoology.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:58

Crypto zoos...........do we need a key to unlock those animals? :laugh:

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 14:06

Crypto zoos...........do we need a key to unlock those animals? :laugh:


Cryptozoology
noun
Date: 1969
the study of and search for animals and especially legendary animals (as Sasquatch) usually in order to evaluate the possibility of their existence