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[size=5][b]Report: February Wii U sales appear far short of Nintendo

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Can't blame people really.
I'd be interested in getting one but the price for that level of performance puts me off, even if some of the games look amazing (zombie u) it just doesn't work out for me.

Also I noticed that I had a 3DS XL on my amazon cart, not sure why, but it's gone up by

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Is that your Wii U in the picture? Mine is in no better shape :p Haven't touched the thing since December. Someone asked if I would trade it for a Canon Rebel T3 lol

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I'm not surprised. It's basically an expensive alternative to the X360 and PS3, only with a fraction of the games and a comically oversized controller. In many respects it's actually much more limited, as the lack of storage makes downloading games and DLC a no-go (the basic model only has 3GB available to the user) and Nintendo's online offering is nowhere near as developed as that of Microsoft and Sony. Even the exclusive games for the Wii U are mostly rehashes / updates of existing titles rather than anything original.

Nintendo would be better off abandoning hardware (like Sega did) and focusing on developing games for other platforms. At this rate it won't have much choice.
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[quote name='theyarecomingforyou' timestamp='1363369693' post='595579642']
Nintendo would be better off abandoning hardware (like Sega did) and focusing on developing games for other platforms. At this rate it won't have much choice.
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I have many Nintendo loving friends who would disagree. As long as they keep selling first party titles like crazy they've got a market...we'll see if they can keep that market long term.

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[quote name='Deranged' timestamp='1363370403' post='595579670']I have many Nintendo loving friends who would disagree. As long as they keep selling first party titles like crazy they've got a market...we'll see if they can keep that market long term.[/quote]

Nobody is disputing that there are a lot of Nintendo fans out there but it's a matter of whether it is more profitable to tie games to their own console or to develop for the Xbox, PlayStation and PC. Both of Nintendo's recent hardware releases - the 3DS and Wii U - have significantly underperformed expectations and the games market is rapidly evolving. With mobiles and tablets eating into handheld sales, and with Sony and Microsoft spending big money to develop exclusives and to subsidise their console offerings, Nintendo has less room to manoeuvre. Supporting a console is a much more risky endeavour than games development.

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Monster Hunter should help sales (especially in Japan).
Lego City Undercover should help as well.

The Wii-U needs a solid system seller.

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[quote name='theyarecomingforyou' timestamp='1363369693' post='595579642']
I'm not surprised. It's basically an expensive alternative to the X360 and PS3, only with a fraction of the games and a comically oversized controller. In many respects it's actually much more limited, as the lack of storage makes downloading games and DLC a no-go (the basic model only has 3GB available to the user) and Nintendo's online offering is nowhere near as developed as that of Microsoft and Sony. Even the exclusive games for the Wii U are mostly rehashes / updates of existing titles rather than anything original.
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The basic model wii u is akin to the 4gb xbox 360. It's the model for the casuals. Casuals are unlikely to download tons of games or even play games that have lots of dlc.

[quote]Nintendo would be better off abandoning hardware (like Sega did) and focusing on developing games for other platforms. At this rate it won't have much choice.[/quote]

That wont happen. No matter how much the fans of the other platforms want it to. I'm pretty sure i recall something from a while back with Iwata himself saying they wont go third party like you want them to.

Also, nintendo isn't even remotely close to being in the same position sega was. Sega went third party cause of the string of failures back to back after the genesis. Where as nintendo has had nothing but successes with their past 3 platforms prior to the wii u's launch(wii, ds, 3ds). Once they get the games issue sorted the wii u will most likely be just fine as well.


[quote]With mobiles and tablets eating into handheld sales[/quote]

The 3ds is doing just fine. Despite the claims of phone games being the doom of proper handheld gaming platforms. And it will only get better over the course of this year.

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What he's saying is with dwindling popularity they may be forced to make that choice at some point...whatever they claim, they don't seem to be doing very well at the moment.

3DS sure, but Wii U?

Did it come out? I forget ;)

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[quote name='ahhell' timestamp='1363372057' post='595579708']
Monster Hunter should help sales (especially in Japan).
Lego City Undercover should help as well.

The Wii-U needs a solid system seller.
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As a Wii U owner, it needs more than two games. and while the lego game is probably good and I would enjoy it, it's not something I'd pay for :(

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[quote name='HawkMan' timestamp='1363377620' post='595579884']
As a Wii U owner, it needs more than two games. and while the lego game is probably good and I would enjoy it, it's not something I'd pay for :(
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So why did you buy a Wii-U if you don't like any of the games?

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[quote name='dead.cell' timestamp='1363368092' post='595579598']
I don't think enough people realize the console isn't an addon, but a whole new thing.
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To be fair, Nintendo seem to have decided to lay off the advertising until they've actually got some games out. Not that I expect much from their advertising department when the time comes, but who knows.

Also, these sales don't fall that far from Nintendo's internal hopes - at this rate they can still actually reach their reduced forecast they put out a few weeks back, so they were expecting it.

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[quote name='Blackhearted' timestamp='1363374725' post='595579792']
The basic model wii u is akin to the 4gb xbox 360. It's the model for the casuals. Casuals are unlikely to download tons of games or even play games that have lots of dlc.
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The X360 was released seven years ago when large downloads were uncommon and digital distribution was in its infancy. Even then Microsoft provided models with dramatically more storage than even Nintendo's top offering for the Wii U. As for casual users, services like iTunes and Amazon are incredibly popular for purchasing and downloading media and are certainly aimed at the casual market. And digital distribution is only going to become more important going into the future - if Steam was in its infancy back when the X360 was released then imagine what the landscape will be like five years from now.

[quote name='Blackhearted' timestamp='1363374725' post='595579792']That wont happen. No matter how much the fans of the other platforms want it to. I'm pretty sure i recall something from a while back with Iwata himself saying they wont go third party like you want them to.[/quote]

Of course Nintendo is going to deny that possibility, as it has to look confident to its shareholders and consumers. Sega wasn't planning to leave the console business either but circumstances changed.

[quote name='Blackhearted' timestamp='1363374725' post='595579792']The 3ds is doing just fine. Despite the claims of phone games being the doom of proper handheld gaming platforms. And it will only get better over the course of this year.[/quote]

It's being outsold by the PS Vita in Japan, which really shows how much Nintendo's influence has diminished over recent years. No longer is Nintendo the undisputed champion of handheld gaming - it's just one of many companies vying for market share.

Obviously Nintendo isn't going to abandon the Wii U

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[quote name='~Johnny' timestamp='1363378128' post='595579906']
To be fair, Nintendo seem to have decided to lay off the advertising until they've actually got some games out. Not that I expect much from their advertising department when the time comes, but who knows.

Also, these sales don't fall that far from Nintendo's internal hopes - at this rate they can still actually reach their reduced forecast they put out a few weeks back, so they were expecting it.
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Well, I'm morely speaking from my own experience in retail when customers ask. Between the DS, DS Lite, DSi, DSi-XL, 3DS, 3DS-XL, and now Wii and Wii U, it's easy to see how one might consider it to be a simple remodel or something, as opposed to a whole new console.

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[quote name='ahhell' timestamp='1363377937' post='595579896']
So why did you buy a Wii-U if you don't like any of the games?
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I didn't say I didn't like any of the games. I do. but you don't buy a system for a couple of games, and my GF bought it for us for our xmas present. I was set to wait for more games and or a price drop. As it is we still need to buy more controllers to play two player. doesn't help that you need so many different controllers to play multi in different games.

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[quote name='theyarecomingforyou' timestamp='1363378549' post='595579916']
It's being outsold by the PS Vita in Japan, which really shows how much Nintendo's influence has diminished over recent years. No longer is Nintendo the undisputed champion of handheld gaming - it's just one of many companies vying for market share.[/quote]

Barely. Being outsold by about a mere 4% last week(march 4-10) is hardly enough to say that nintendo is falling from the handheld market. Especially when you compare the install base of the two.

Also, many companies? Last i checked their only competition when it comes to [i]proper[/i] gaming remains sony.

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[quote name='Blackhearted' timestamp='1363380995' post='595579956']
Barely. Being outsold by about a mere 4% last week(march 4-10) is hardly enough to say that nintendo is falling from the handheld market. Especially when you compare the install base of the two.

Also, many companies? Last i checked their only competition when it comes to [i]proper[/i] gaming remains sony.[/quote]

It's significant because Nintendo has traditionally had very little competition in the handheld market. As for "proper gaming", mobiles and tablets cannot be ignored - they have seen huge growth and there are new and more powerful devices being released all the time. The 3DS still has a good position in the market but Nintendo had to slash 29% off its sales forecast for 3DS software - that's concerning when it's [url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/30/us-nintendo-earnings-consoles-idUSBRE90T08T20130130"]one of the company's main sales drivers[/url]. The 3DS is the first Nintendo device I can recall under-performing at launch and Nintendo has [url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/30/us-nintendo-earnings-consoles-idUSBRE90T08T20130130"]posted losses[/url] for the past two years. If the 3DS and Wii U continue to underperform then Nintendo may have to explore other avenues.

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[quote name='theyarecomingforyou' timestamp='1363383409' post='595580002']
It's significant because Nintendo has traditionally had very little competition in the handheld market. As for "proper gaming", mobiles and tablets cannot be ignored - they have seen huge growth and there are new and more powerful devices being released all the time. The 3DS still has a good position in the market but Nintendo had to slash 29% off its sales forecast for 3DS software - that's concerning when it's [url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/30/us-nintendo-earnings-consoles-idUSBRE90T08T20130130"]one of the company's main sales drivers[/url]. The 3DS is the first Nintendo device I can recall under-performing at launch and Nintendo has [url="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/30/us-nintendo-earnings-consoles-idUSBRE90T08T20130130"]posted losses[/url] for the past two years. If the 3DS and Wii U continue to underperform then Nintendo may have to explore other avenues.
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Nintendo lost about

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Ya plus, it won't REALLY start to sell until it's hacked. The moment I saw how easy it was to hack the wii and put the homebrew channel on it is when I bought mine. Also had it hacked 30 mins after that :)

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[quote name='~Johnny' timestamp='1363386619' post='595580102']
Nintendo lost about
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[quote name='Blackhearted' timestamp='1363380995' post='595579956']
Barely. Being outsold by about a mere 4% last week(march 4-10) is hardly enough to say that nintendo is falling from the handheld market. Especially when you compare the install base of the two.
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4% of thousands of consoles doesn't seem like that much of a difference.

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[quote name='warwagon' timestamp='1363387996' post='595580140']
Ya plus, it won't REALLY start to sell until it's hacked. The moment I saw how easy it was to hack the wii and put the homebrew channel on it is when I bought mine. Also had it hacked 30 mins after that :)
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Sad thing is, my friend hacked his Wii too (his console, I mean), and it still never got much attention beyond a couple weeks or so. :/

As for Nintendo, I'm willing to bet we'll see a repeat of what happened with the Wii being left behind in terms of third party developers. Yes, the Wii was and is still a success, but not in the terms of what I'm wanting from them. Really, I just want to be able to buy a Nintendo console that will be able to play most games. Apparently, that's too much to ask for, or perhaps I'm not the target audience. Not really sure on this one...

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Apparently the Wii U is selling [url="http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/monthly-nintendo-wii-u-sales-lower-than-xbox-360-and-playstation-3-sales-at-any-point-in-the-last-seven-years/"]worse[/url] now than the X360 or PS3 ever did. Looking at the upcoming games list there just doesn't seem to be anything much coming out, let alone exclusive to the Wii U. The new Zelda game isn't due out until the end of the year and that's really the best upcoming title, so I really don't know what Nintendo can do short of slashing the price - something publishers have been [url="http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/ubisoft-to-nintendo-we-want-a-wii-u-price-cut-and-we-want-it-now/"]asking for[/url].

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I won't be buying until a price cut or a hardware revision.

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Needs more marketing, a lot more marketing in fact and if they cant get triple A 3D titles due to development cycles yadda yadda, then why not emphasize and build your virtual console or release more live games?

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