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I bought a 3570. The 3570K was

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should have got teh K

also Hyper 212 EVO is only 25-30 bucks.

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You know yourself better than we do! I doubt it, but I wouldn't know.

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Do you have much stuff that takes up space above your CPU? Even with my large CPU cooler and GFX card I have enough room to stick my hand between them (And still get a 1Ghz overclock)

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and gamer with that cpu [b]must[/b] get an aftermarket heatsink/cooler -> Evo 212 as suggested by Remixedcat is cheap and a solid performer, the default heatsink Intel gives you is rubbish.
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So the CPU would be

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It looks like you've already rationalized your decision :)
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[quote name='zhiVago' timestamp='1363778997' post='595587788']
It looks like you've already rationalized your decision :)
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Not quite. You know that feeling that you've made a huge mistake? :p

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[quote name='King Mustard' timestamp='1363778948' post='595587784']
So the CPU would be

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[quote name='King Mustard' timestamp='1363779088' post='595587792']
Not quite. You know that feeling that you've made a huge mistake? :p
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I know what you mean. However, in your situation, a penny saved is a penny earned :)

It's better to regret not buying something, still having money in your pocket, than to regret spending your hard-earned cash on crap you don't need :)

If that stock cooler turns out to be noisy for you, you can always upgrade it down the road.

Enjoy your new set-up!
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I got the same CPU as you but the K model along with a Noctua NH-U12P cooler. I couldn't be happier. It overclocks like a breeze and I can't hear the fan spinning. I would've regret not buying the K model personally, but like others have said, you know yourself better than we do.

Ultimately, if you have no such goals, then you have made the right decision.

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Argh, I cancelled it and ordered the K! :o

Was only

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i agree w/ everyone else. peer pressure! definitely should get the 'K' version!
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[quote name='- Kaboose -' timestamp='1363778834' post='595587780']
and gamer with that cpu [b]must[/b] get an aftermarket heatsink/cooler -> Evo 212 as suggested by Remixedcat is cheap and a solid performer, the default heatsink Intel gives you is rubbish.
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Rubbish? No; however, the Ivy Bridge CPUs are heat monsters (even more than Conroe, Kentsfield, or any other LGA CPU except maybe the EEs).

I too would recommend the EVO (or the EVO's little brother, the Hyper212+) - neither is all THAT large, or all that pricey, either.

You might be thinking of the older three-wire fans that Intel USED to include with the first LGA775 CPUs - those fans were INDEED rubbish. (Those were replaced with 4-wire fans starting with Kentsfield; the only CPUs in boxes that have the older 3-wire fans are older Celeron and Pentium DCs based on Conroe. I have both an E3400 Wolfdale and a Q6600 Kentsfield (the Q replaced the E) - both have four-wire fans.)
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I got a K cpu (not the same as yours) intending to overclock it, that was last year. I've found it quick enough to not need an overclock. I might get round to it though
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Would you rather spend the 30 something now and have peace of mind that your CPU won't roast or would you rather pay 200+ later??? I'd take the first option.

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[quote name='remixedcat' timestamp='1363786477' post='595587968']
Would you rather spend the 30 something now and have peace of mind that your CPU won't roast or would you rather pay 200+ later??? I'd take the first option.
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I've never overclocked, and have never once had an issue with a stock CPU cooler. Intel aren't stupid :o

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Still, it's always a good idea to have a better than rated cooler. OCing or not.

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Get the special K
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Stick with non-K

I purposefully bought a non-K because then once my setup is complete and stable, I won't get the urge to over clock and make it run hotter or unstable.

Also I figured that over clocking is not going to make difference in majority of games.

If you are into that 3D Mark e-peni* score game, then only buy "K" version.

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It all depends on your needs as the K and non K chips aren't 100% identical. For instance, K series chips lack VT-d support. If you're planning on using VMs a lot and not planning on overclocking then a K series chip is worse off than a non-K. Basically, it all depends on your needs and what the chip offers. But a K isn't the same as a non-K with the ability to overclock. Intel doesn't like to make anything that easy :p

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Would you rather spend the 30 something now and have peace of mind that your CPU won't roast or would you rather pay 200+ later??? I'd take the first option.
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Keep in mind that if your CPU roasted due to a failure of the stock fan when properly installed Intel would be obligated to replace it for you as long as you purchased the retail chip. Intel gives all of their retail chips a three year warranty. As a result, I'm sure the stock cooler is more than enough unless you have needs that extend beyond that (overclocking, quieter operation, etc.).

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I have a K CPU as well, never needed to overclock it.

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[quote name='LogicalApex' timestamp='1363794827' post='595588330']
It all depends on your needs as the K and non K chips aren't 100% identical. For instance, K series chips lack VT-d support. If you're planning on using VMs a lot and not planning on overclocking then a K series chip is worse off than a non-K. Basically, it all depends on your needs and what the chip offers. But a K isn't the same as a non-K with the ability to overclock. Intel doesn't like to make anything that easy :p



Keep in mind that if your CPU roasted due to a failure of the stock fan when properly installed Intel would be obligated to replace it for you as long as you purchased the retail chip. Intel gives all of their retail chips a three year warranty. As a result, I'm sure the stock cooler is more than enough unless you have needs that extend beyond that (overclocking, quieter operation, etc.).
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Wouldn't you rather not go through the RMA stuff though? I had to RMA 2 AMD CPUs and it wasn't that fun. I'd rather buy better stuff I wouldn't have to RMA. Not chance anything.

I have a K and I run VMs fine BTW. Using Hyper-v

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[quote name='King Mustard' timestamp='1363778212' post='595587764']
I bought a 3570. The 3570K was

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[quote name='LogicalApex' timestamp='1363794827' post='595588330']
Keep in mind that if your CPU roasted due to a failure of the stock fan when properly installed Intel would be obligated to replace it for you as long as you purchased the retail chip. Intel gives all of their retail chips a three year warranty. As a result, I'm sure the stock cooler is more than enough unless you have needs that extend beyond that (overclocking, quieter operation, etc.).
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It's next to impossible to burn an Intel CPU if it's voltages are in range. The thermal-mass of the heat sink is enough for it to run without the fan working. However, the CPU's own thermal cut-out, will speed step the CPU down to protect it. You can, although wouldn't recommend it, remove the heat sink and it'll not burn out. I wouldn't hold out much hope of ever using their warranty on a failed stock cooler, they'll be replacing it because the chip itself failed, and of course, Intel will never know if you used a stock cooler or not... unless you tell them :)

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[quote name='remixedcat' timestamp='1363796098' post='595588378']
Wouldn't you rather not go through the RMA stuff though? I had to RMA 2 AMD CPUs and it wasn't that fun. I'd rather buy better stuff I wouldn't have to RMA. Not chance anything.

I have a K and I run VMs fine BTW. Using Hyper-v
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Not saying the RMA would be fun, I've never done it with Intel, but that if Intel is warranting the CPU for 3 years then I'm sure their cooler is designed well enough to handle normal load.

Yes, a K series CPU will support virtualization, as all newer Intel chips do, but it won't support all of Intel virtualization features. Notably Intel VT-d; Virtualized Direct-I/O support. Essentially it speeds up I/O access in VMs and reduces load on the CPU by allowing it to not waste clock cycles virtualizing the I/O subsystem. So it results in a faster VM and the ability to run more VMs/more responsive host.

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