Haggis Veteran Posted March 20, 2013 Veteran Share Posted March 20, 2013 Hey Guys this might be a stupid questions I have a new sky hub for fibre broadband It has a WPS button on the front this is out in my hall i have this one this also has a WPS button I want to plug this into my sky tv box using a ethernet cable now if i press the WPS button on the main router, turn the DHCP off on the router plugged into the sky tv box and press its wps button will they auto connect wirelessly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted March 20, 2013 MVC Share Posted March 20, 2013 NO... If you going to connect them via wire, why do you need/want them to connect wirelessly? remixedcat 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis Veteran Posted March 20, 2013 Author Veteran Share Posted March 20, 2013 Nah like this I cant get a wire from the main router to where the TV is without a whole lot of hassle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted March 20, 2013 MVC Share Posted March 20, 2013 that is not what WPS does.. Your going to want that router connecting to your main router that has internet access to be a client bridge sort of connection. Its going to have to support that.. Can you put 3rd party firmware on the client bridge router. I doubt your wps button an your router is a enrollee (client) your router is going to be a registrar (allow clients to connect to it). You do know that WPS was compromised a while back, 2011 -- safest option with any sort of WPS is disable it! I would suggest you wire them, if you can not run a wire - what about using homeplugs, plug into power outlet at one end connect to your switch with ethernet cable, plug in another homeplug at power near other connection and plug in your ethernet cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisp Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 So much NAT. remixedcat 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted March 20, 2013 MVC Share Posted March 20, 2013 If he is using the routers as AP, ie turning off their dhcp and putting an IP on the lan that is on his main routers network, and connecting them via lan port to his network via wire then no there is ONLY the nat at the pubic internet connection. His other wireless routers are just Accesspoints and switches. articuno1au 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted March 20, 2013 Veteran Share Posted March 20, 2013 This is possible, but as Budman said you'll have to use 3rd party firmware for it (I know for a fact that OpenWRT supports this very setup, I investigated it for making my old WRT54GL useful again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis Veteran Posted March 20, 2013 Author Veteran Share Posted March 20, 2013 Supports what connecting to another router or having another router connect to it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted March 20, 2013 Veteran Share Posted March 20, 2013 Having the routers talk to each other via WiFi, you want to bridge the network over the wifi link and most routers (I'd imagine) don't support that in their default firmware. And if you want broadcast traffic and such to work you'll need to run repeating stuff on each router, normally that stuff (like DHCP) doesn't cross the network barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remixedcat Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 WPS is insecure and has performance issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbamaris Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Yep, wireless bridge is what you need, Some routers actually support this. TP-Link Routers can do this as I have this same setup at my church. Which extends to two more routers (the two routers are hooked up via a wire however) My setup: TP-Link Wireless Router ----(wireless)---> TP-Link Wireless Bridge ---(Ethernet) ----> Linksys Router --(Ethernet)---> Linksys Router Because our two buildings are separated, we're planning on getting a fiber connection between them to avoid drops and improve speed at the church as the internet is hosted at our second building next door. To avoid confusion however, I have the one Wireless Bridge at my church using a different SSID than the one at the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis Veteran Posted March 21, 2013 Author Veteran Share Posted March 21, 2013 yeah i think homeplugs will be my best bet Sky's terms and conditions are that you use there router so kinda limits me for now seen these on ebuyer, will do nicely for ?30 http://www.ebuyer.com/370669-tp-link-tl-pa411kit-av500-mini-powerline-adapter-stater-kit-tl-pa411kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Sky's terms and conditions are that you use there router so kinda limits me for now Forget their terms and conditions, anyone with any sense does, their routers are trash Grab your credentials from here and swap it out for something decent https://www.cm9.net/skypass/ Charisma 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis Veteran Posted March 21, 2013 Author Veteran Share Posted March 21, 2013 yeah i just need to wait on the stuff coming as Fibre is being installed on Monday lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
articuno1au Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 ITT a lot of people without an understanding of networks and protocols, and a couple of people that are the exception to this rule -_- WPS is insecure and has performance issues. Dear Christ.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis Veteran Posted March 21, 2013 Author Veteran Share Posted March 21, 2013 looking at this router http://www.amazon.co.uk/BILLION-BiPAC-8200N-Firewall-300Mbps/dp/B005C0TH8E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ThePhoenix Subscriber² Posted March 21, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted March 21, 2013 That is a fantastic router, I have one myself as do the rest of the guys in my office as they are not only a great router but have a very specific broadcom chipset in that is great for long ADSL lines, for example I get barely 1MB with my BT Home Hub but with this bad boy and a bit of tweaking I get 4.5MB out of my line now. However, the one thing I would point out having looked into it for a friend is that this will be no good as your primary router for Fibre as it has no fibre socket on it. Which means you would have to hook up your sky router and plug it into the WAN port of the billion router to use that serve your wireless etc. If your talking about using this as the box to sit with your sky box then it would do the job great but be a bit of a waste, I am assuming that this is not the case after you have said about getting some homeplugs to do the job, which is a good idea, they will do the job just fine, I know a lot of people who have them for that purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 That is a fantastic router, I have one myself as do the rest of the guys in my office as they are not only a great router but have a very specific broadcom chipset in that is great for long ADSL lines, for example I get barely 1MB with my BT Home Hub but with this bad boy and a bit of tweaking I get 4.5MB out of my line now. However, the one thing I would point out having looked into it for a friend is that this will be no good as your primary router for Fibre as it has no fibre socket on it. Which means you would have to hook up your sky router and plug it into the WAN port of the billion router to use that serve your wireless etc. If your talking about using this as the box to sit with your sky box then it would do the job great but be a bit of a waste, I am assuming that this is not the case after you have said about getting some homeplugs to do the job, which is a good idea, they will do the job just fine, I know a lot of people who have them for that purpose. Have you removed the bell wire from your line? (If it has one) http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm I removed mine when I had ADSL and gained about 1.5meg, my folks did it and gained about 3meg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ThePhoenix Subscriber² Posted March 21, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted March 21, 2013 Oh yeah, and clipped the wires to the old extension sockets in the house, and created my own wiring to the router from the filter using Cat 5 cable instead of the normal crap to decrease the interference as much as possible. Sometimes have to tweak my SNR firgure on the hidden page of the router depending on the weather but can get a solid 4mb and in nice weather a 4.5-4.7mb sync with no problems. Doesn't help too much in the longer run of course as it does not help my upload only my down, so stuck with ****ty 0.5mb upload on a good day lol Detection 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Oh yeah, and clipped the wires to the old extension sockets in the house, and created my own wiring to the router from the filter using Cat 5 cable instead of the normal crap to decrease the interference as much as possible. Sometimes have to tweak my SNR firgure on the hidden page of the router depending on the weather but can get a solid 4mb and in nice weather a 4.5-4.7mb sync with no problems. Doesn't help too much in the longer run of course as it does not help my upload only my down, so stuck with ****ty 0.5mb upload on a good day lol lol yea, I'm pleased to be rid of ADSL and their amazing automatic error correction that halved my speed when there was no problems at all, I removed my extension too, never thought about using CAT5 though, good plan, but I've got FTTC now so its all good :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ThePhoenix Subscriber² Posted March 21, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted March 21, 2013 Yeah, no sign of FTTC for me, can't even get ADSL2, too rural I'm afraid and we have less than 1000 subscribers going through our village exchange so no hope of BT ever running upgrades through to us. Nevermind, could be worse, and I do have the advantage of my work connection at my current job which is a 100MB Leased Line so get 10.75MB/s when I need it at work lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Yeah, no sign of FTTC for me, can't even get ADSL2, too rural I'm afraid and we have less than 1000 subscribers going through our village exchange so no hope of BT ever running upgrades through to us. Nevermind, could be worse, and I do have the advantage of my work connection at my current job which is a 100MB Leased Line so get 10.75MB/s when I need it at work lol lol nice, we had ADSL2+ with Orange, then they sold their lines for some reason to BT, and as soon as they did that, we were dropped to ADSL and lost a load of bandwidth, then heard that BT was rolling out Infinity in the near future so dropped Orange, went with BTs unlimited package that had a free Infinity upgrade once it was live, Infinity arrived, and then Infinity 2 arrived and apart from a few weeks with an exchange issue, it's been spot on. I max out at 8.9MB/s and still shout at it to hurry up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ThePhoenix Subscriber² Posted March 21, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted March 21, 2013 Now your just trying to make me cry :cry: @Haggis - Sorry if we've gone a little off topic here m8, still committed to helping you, honest :rolleyes: Detection 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis Veteran Posted March 21, 2013 Author Veteran Share Posted March 21, 2013 The fibre is to the cabinet then the line coming into the house connects to a BT openreach modem then the openreach modem is plugged into the sky router i will remove the sky router and replace it with the billion nah its fine i dont mind discussing FTTC and adsl here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 The fibre is to the cabinet then the line coming into the house connects to a BT openreach modem then the openreach modem is plugged into the sky router i will remove the sky router and replace it with the billion I've got the same setup except use a Linksys WRT160NL running DD-WRT If you unlock the Openreach modem you can disable QoS and gain an extra 1meg upload speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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