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#16 S7R1K3R

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:23

What if they hack into our military systems, or get hundreds of people killed? Those would be an act of war or terrorism by any other definition, but because they're only hackers it's alright with you?


Yea I see what you are trying to get at, but if it's that easy to hack into a military system and get hundreds of people killed wouldn't the onus be on the government to keep it secure? If you didn't lock your gun and let's say your kid fires it at someone, aren't you going to get charged? What right does the government have in deciding that they are going to kill someone just because they left a port open or whatnot. And has there ever been even one case of a hacker causing the deaths of hundreds? If not then why was this law created? Are we trying to solve a problem that never happened or are we being sheep?


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:36

Yea I see what you are trying to get at, but if it's that easy to hack into a military system and get hundreds of people killed wouldn't the onus be on the government to keep it secure? If you didn't lock your gun and let's say your kid fires it at someone, aren't you going to get charged? What right does the government have in deciding that they are going to kill someone just because they left a port open or whatnot. And has there ever been even one case of a hacker causing the deaths of hundreds? If not then why was this law created? Are we trying to solve a problem that never happened or are we being sheep?

You must really like drones if you're perfectly ok with killing hundreds of people remotely just because they gave themselves permission to do it.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:50

This is crazy, killing people for pushing buttons on a keyboard. And most of the comments seem to advocate this thinking. I am glad I was born when I was, hate to see what this world will turn into.


How is pushing a button and taking a life different from pulling a trigger other than being the more cowardly of the two?? Now killing because of property damage I am not so sure about.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:55

How would they be supposed to kill them? Everybody knows hackers use aimbots.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:56

Yea I see what you are trying to get at, but if it's that easy to hack into a military system


Doesnt have to be a military system. They could shutdown an airport, hospital..

What right does the government have in deciding that they are going to kill someone just because they left a port open or whatnot.


What right does the police have to arrest a criminal for breaking in to someones house because they left the door unlocked? It just doesnt matter. That criminal had no right to be there and those hackers have no business being where they are.

And has there ever been even one case of a hacker causing the deaths of hundreds? If not then why was this law created? Are we trying to solve a problem that never happened or are we being sheep?


These kind of hacker attacks are becoming more and more common. Sensitive data being stolen has happened several times and can lead to people being killed. Just going to get worse if action isnt taken and this is a bold statement

How would they be supposed to kill them? Everybody knows hackers use aimbots.


They have tracked down and caught them before They are not untraceable.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:08

Good, start with those anonymous idiots.


Should start off by killing people who make dumb comments.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:17

Doesnt have to be a military system. They could shutdown an airport, hospital..



What right does the police have to arrest a criminal for breaking in to someones house because they left the door unlocked? It just doesnt matter. That criminal had no right to be there and those hackers have no business being where they are.



These kind of hacker attacks are becoming more and more common. Sensitive data being stolen has happened several times and can lead to people being killed. Just going to get worse if action isnt taken and this is a bold statement



They have tracked down and caught them before They are not untraceable.


I am all for arresting and giving people a trial. But to go ahead and kill someone for something like this is ridiculous. What does it matter anyway right? The world is overpopulated anyway. Even in your own example of someone breaking into someones house, do we kill the criminals? Have we ever in modern society? But in your view pressing a few keys equals death. Are we going to start killing people who torrent stuff too? Where does it end? Don't people ever question anything anymore?

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:21

Should start off by killing people who make dumb comments.


I was voicing my opinion towards anonymous and you know, being on topic. You are off topic. And you are commenting on me making stupid comments? huh

Go away. I have no more time for you.

I am all for arresting and giving people a trial. But to go ahead and kill someone for something like this is ridiculous. What does it matter anyway right? The world is overpopulated anyway.


Well, depends on the situation I guess. Little info on this at the moment to. I imagine tho that if it was a single individual, then they will get a fair trial. However, if it was an cyber attack from a person working for a terrorist group, then take them down.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:13

Good, start with those anonymous idiots.


Say what you like about Anonymous, but the day we have military personnel or otherwise killing American citizens will be the day everything goes to hell. I realize you're probably joking, but I'm pretty dead serious on this.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:10

Prepare for account losses in 3-2-1....... :rofl:

Anon are ok in my eyes, its the other wannabes who claim to be Anon when they do stupid sh** that give them a bad name


You don't know what anon is then.

Anon isn't a group, anon is everyone. though that isn't true but it's what the anon "fanboys" like to believe. the leadership merely use proxies and other accounts, to push the causes they want done, until they reach critical mass. All the attacks fronted by those not in this secret leadeship group, doesn't get this behind the scenes push and never take off unless the leadership likes it. either way, every attack done by anyone claiming to be anon is done by anon. though maybe not by the secret supposedly non existing leadership.

in any case all of Anons attacks are with a few very small exceptions done by individuals who only say they are anon for that one attack are simple script kiddie DDOS attacks, who does nothing to hurt the people they intend, only the users.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:16

This is crazy, killing people for pushing buttons on a keyboard. And most of the comments seem to advocate this thinking. I am glad I was born when I was, hate to see what this world will turn into.


It's not for hitting keys on a keyboard, it's for cyber warfare. Cyber warfare warriors can kill with what they do, they can do mare damage to infrastructure and lives than a nuke could. Take out the power of major northern american cities during heavy winter storms. shut down airports. Break security at nuclear plants using a stuxnet like attack.

If the other side knows where they are, like that building in china that house all the cyber attackers, then in a war situation, then they damn well will do a precision strike on that building and take out every skilled war hacker inside before they can do this kind of damage. if you signup as a war hacker, then you are a warrior like any other on the field. Drone pilots also just hit keys on a keyboard, do you think their bunkers and trailers aren't valid war targets as well. And remember cyber attacks are declaration/acts of war as well.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 17:03

I was voicing my opinion towards anonymous and you know, being on topic. You are off topic. And you are commenting on me making stupid comments? huh

Go away. I have no more time for you.



You went on to say an ignorant, hateful, unethical comment. Totally uncalled for. A awful thing to say, even if it was a joke.
judging you by that comment you probably done more harm to people then anonymous and you deserve your just deserts.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 17:16

You went on to say an ignorant, hateful, unethical comment. Totally uncalled for. A awful thing to say, even if it was a joke.
judging you by that comment you probably done more harm to people then anonymous and you deserve your just deserts.


Again, its my opinion, you dont have to like it, you dont have to reply, and I really dont care what you think as you know absolutely ZERO about me and are assuming you do. And since you missed what I said in the same post where I quoted you, its obvious you didnt read where I clarified my statement.

So again, I have no further time for you at all and have a good day. Next time start a convo without insults and you know, be mature and learn how to converse.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 17:20

Prepare for account losses in 3-2-1....... :rofl:

Anon are ok in my eyes, its the other wannabes who claim to be Anon when they do stupid sh** that give them a bad name

how do you differentiate the acts of crime? how do you know what act is them or not them?

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 17:31

how do you differentiate the acts of crime? how do you know what act is them or not them?


I think that is the problem, you don't. I don't. The people that see the hack as the crime is the people who have the fire power.

If the USA, China, or Russia etc turned around and said. FU we got hacked by one of your guys, we're sending nukes in now (OTT example). Who is to say it was true, the hack that is.
Hackers are very good at covering themselves with bouncers all over the world making use of a vast array of systems.
And what if it isn't even a hacker. What if its just a ruse to create anger to justify an attack. For example, if the USA say, OMGs North Korea has hacked into several nuclear reactor power plants, they're going critical and we've had to shut them down before it explodes. People would go crazy when the power goes out, no actual proof or damage done, but they go to war anyway. Obviously I'm just using that as an example of how it could be abused.

It's a very worrying state we're going to be in if this holds true. Rather then fighting back on a digital level to stop the hack attacks in the first place, or minimise the damage caused via patching exploits and creating a more secure environment and teaching people effective security protocols to use in the office etc, we have people who have more firepower just using brute force trying to find hackers..
That's like setting fire to the barn to find the needle in the haystack, and it's not even the right farm.