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#226 +Brando212

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:47

Wait a minute. When I install a fresh Windows 7, I do not get thrown into a full screen application. Again, all of this is FORCED on us. We have to perform A LOT of stuff to make it work JUST LIKE Windows 7.

the rest of your post aside, the question once again pops up
if you're gonna go through all the trouble to make 8 work exactly like 7 then why bother even upgrading?


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:49

XP is unsupported? That's strange, I thought it was supported til April 18th 2014.


Enterprises cannot wait until it ends to start migrating away. It will be a good thing and in general, improve enterprise security. Depending on their licensing agreements, many will go to Windows 7. Anyone who went 10 years on XP, can go just as long on 7 unless MS finds a way to force them off or entice them off.

With some of the weird issues, I'm thinking Windows 9 will be when Modern UI makes significant headway in the Enterprise but you never know. However, it's going nowhere without apps and games.

the rest of your post aside, the question once again pops up
if you're gonna go through all the trouble to make 8 work exactly like 7 then why bother even upgrading?


The question wasn't for me but since I'm in the forum right now: Because Windows 8 Desktop Environment is better than Windows 7 comparing what is there and what does not irritate. I say if you can avoid the things that irritate, you should upgrade.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:51

I say if you can avoid the things that irritate, you should upgrade.


By things that irritate you, you mean 1/2 the OS?

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:52

The question wasn't for me but since I'm in the forum right now: Because Windows 8 Desktop Environment is better than Windows 7 comparing what is there and what does not irritate. I say if you can avoid the things that irritate, you should upgrade.

but that's the thing, some of the people i've seen on this forum even go to the lengths to disable other new features on the desktop as well such as the ribbon and other things just to make it exactly like 7 (then there's that one program that just completely replaces 8s explorer with the one from 7). what's the point?

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 22:52

the rest of your post aside, the question once again pops up
if you're gonna go through all the trouble to make 8 work exactly like 7 then why bother even upgrading?


Did I say I want it exactly the same? You are also forgetting the under-the-hood changes that Windows 8 brings that are much better than Windows 7. I do not want to have to dig in to the file associations to avoid the full screen image viewer or music player (and other stuff). Not once did I say it needs to be exactly like Windows 7. I said to make it operate like Windows 7. And what I mean by that is to use a standard "windowed" photo viewer, not a full screen one.

I clicked desktop already, why is it taking me BACK to a full screen app. Why do I NEED to change the associations? I never had to do such a thing before because they did not have these annoying full screen applications in previous versions.

but that's the thing, some of the people i've seen on this forum even go to the lengths to disable other new features on the desktop as well such as the ribbon and other things just to make it exactly like 7 (then there's that one program that just completely replaces 8s explorer with the one from 7). what's the point?


See, I like the ribbon in the explorer. The new task manager is incredible. I love the new desktop interface. I just want it to work like Windows 95 -> Windows 7 did. Straight to desktop, no hidden invisible menus/hot corners, and no default full screen apps in the file associations (I am already in the desktop environment, being thrown back to the other interface is not fun). THAT is what I mean by making it act like Windows 7.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 23:01

By things that irritate you, you mean 1/2 the OS?


Let's not be overly dramatic, 1/2 is ridiculous. Let's settle on 1/4 to 1/3.

For me, Modern UI Search is the worst (Start8 saves me from this) and the core Modern UI apps Music/Video. Mail is actually usable on the Surface RT now. Actually pretty good. Music/Video are better than they were before but, that's about it. I've simply given up on WP8 ever being able to sync with a Windows 8 PC without Media Player Classic plus its missing too much. Video, weak. This will be a third party domain. Waiting on VLC for Windows 8. The Win 8 Netflix app is nifty though.

I would have been nice if WMP had been given a Metro facelift even as a Win32 app. Maybe some new browsing features, enhanced playback, etc.

under-the-hood changes that Windows 8 brings that are much better than Windows 7.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 23:09

Wait a minute. When I install a fresh Windows 7, I do not get thrown into a full screen application. Again, all of this is FORCED on us. We have to perform A LOT of stuff to make it work JUST LIKE Windows 7. It is not as easy as you guys make it out to be.

So yes, this new interface is forced on us. There is no denying that. We cannot just click Desktop and forget about it as you guys suggest. Because, on a stock install, clicking an image will open up a full screen image viewer.

To get it to work as Windows 7 you need to do more than just click desktop. As you said, you also need to change all of these file associations. Which we never had to do in Windows 7 since nothing was using crappy full screen only mode. I mean really, full screen to see ANY size image? Click an image that is 50x50 and it brings this full screen app.

But that still does not help 100%. What about when you see available network connections? Modern UI like display that fills the entire height. So there is really no way to avoid the Metro/Modern UI like you guys say.


Of course it doesn't work "just like" Windows 7, it wasn't designed to. If you want Windows 7, run Windows 7.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 23:14

Of course it doesn't work "just like" Windows 7, it wasn't designed to. If you want Windows 7, run Windows 7.


What about the under the hood changes? What about the actual useful stuff for desktops?

I want it to work the same way it has for 20 years now (the basic concept). Start8 gives me that capability. But I very much hate third party OS modification tools. MS Should have just implemented a couple of checkboxes.

There is no logical reason why you need a full screen photo viewer to see a 50x50 image. NONE. Why they left those as the default file associations while you are in the desktop mode makes me wonder.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 23:16

Of course it doesn't work "just like" Windows 7, it wasn't designed to. If you want Windows 7, run Windows 7.


It can get pretty close. If that's what you want give Stardock their $5 or use one of the free ones. The thing is, the 8 DE is so stable, you're not going to spend all that time in control panels or task manager (you'll visit task manager because it's so cool, not because you have to).

The only glitches and bugs I've found are related to Modern UI Apps, so if you don't run those apps, no problem at all.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 00:27

What about the under the hood changes? What about the actual useful stuff for desktops?

I want it to work the same way it has for 20 years now (the basic concept). Start8 gives me that capability. But I very much hate third party OS modification tools. MS Should have just implemented a couple of checkboxes.

There is no logical reason why you need a full screen photo viewer to see a 50x50 image. NONE. Why they left those as the default file associations while you are in the desktop mode makes me wonder.


Default? So what? Don't like that, then change it.

Microsoft doesn't have the ability to sit and wait anymore, as the market is largely moving on without them. The past 20 years is inconsequential in the long run as they have come and gone already. The bigger focus is the next 20 years.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 00:36

I don't understand the issue with booting to the start screen
The first thing you would do if you boot direct to the desktop is start an app by clicking an icon on the desktop/task bar or you click start and launch an app from there.
Why don't you pin your most used apps to the start screen and start the first one from there. If it's a desktop app it will throw you into the desktop automatically anyway.

It's complaints for absolutely no reason at all.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 01:00

You know, "back in my days" you'd try to make an older OS look like the new one.
http://gizmodo.com/5...-like-windows-7

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 01:02

You know, "back in my days" you'd try to make an older OS look like the new one.
http://gizmodo.com/5...-like-windows-7


Those were the days. I had a pretty spiffy XP for the few months that I ran that clunker. It got old fast, though, as I had to re-install XP every so often. Then real life kicked in as I started school.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 01:12

Those were the days. I had a pretty spiffy XP for the few months that I ran that clunker. It got old fast, though, as I had to re-install XP every so often. Then real life kicked in as I started school.


How often was every so often?

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 01:24

How often was every so often?


2-3 times a year due to slow downs, rot, updates breaking the UXTheme patches, etc.