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#16 +d5aqoëp

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:31

I like the humor in here. But those who want Start Menu are free to use hundreds of alternatives which bring it back.

Or get used to any sh** Microsoft pushes down our throats by buying their software.

Or buy a Mac and strictly use OSX.


#17 Xerax

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:45

user-hostile ui

lol.

#18 DKAngel

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:57

Kind of indicative when we who like the start menu are told to "deal with it."

what a damn hostile approach to innovation if that is what it is.


they did ti with win 3.11 to 95, u didnt have a start menu back then and then wulla u have it, people were furious about it and didnt like it

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:15

But those who want Start Menu are free to...
...buy a Mac and strictly use OSX.

Please explain to me how you get the Start Menu on a Mac, where this feature is in OSX. And no add-ons, as you say "strictly" use OSX.

Or are you just trolling?

#20 Nick H.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:24

I wonder if restoring Start menu as an option but limit it to Pro edition has been considered.

It wouldn't work. First and foremost because there are free start menu replacements out there that work on all versions of Windows 8, so Microsoft including a start menu only in the Pro version wouldn't be an incentive for people to pay.

#21 c.grz

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 13:16

Kind of indicative when we who like the start menu are told to "deal with it."

what a damn hostile approach to innovation if that is what it is.


So how would you approach it? To me, innovation means change so keeping the start menu because people aren't ready to part with it goes against the whole idea of innovation.

#22 Dot Matrix

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 13:20

FFS... The amount of crying over the Start Menu is rather hilarious. You guys act like you're 2 years old after mommy says no to getting a toy...

Why must developers undermine their mission just to make a few luddites happy? Microsoft isn't going to bring that back. There is no reason to bring back old, deprecated features. The Start Menu reached it's max potential, and now it's time to move on or die out. Simple as that.

#23 Nick H.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 13:33

Why must developers undermine their mission just to make a few luddites happy? Microsoft isn't going to bring that back.

I agree with this. Microsoft have their plans and it doesn't look like they're going to change, leave them to it. It can be the mission of other developers to offer a start menu for those that want it.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 16:34


Please explain to me how you get the Start Menu on a Mac, where this feature is in OSX. 



I can only speak for myself but, honestly, I couldn't care less about the Start Menu. I'm not resistant to change especially when it comes in the form of progress. What I care about, and the reason I chose to install Start8 on my Windows 8 installation is the functionality that the Start Menu provides. What functionality specifically? Well:
1 a clearly visible UI element for accessing:
2 an unobtrusive popup menu that doesn't take over the whole screen for:
2a a unified desktop search (ideally with drag and drop support)
2b a complete listing of your apps
2c a link to the control panel
2d power options
2e recent items

Clearly Windows 7 delivers all of that (and more) in the form of the Start button/menu.

start.png

Well, Windows 8 completely fails in the first respect. There's no visible UI element at all to access any of the mentioned items. So what about the second item?There's no popup menu anymore. Windows 8 forces you to go fullscreen for 2a and 2b. A fullscreen Desktop search option exists, but without providing drag and drop support or being unified - it forces you to select whether you're specifically interested in looking for apps, settings or files. Both a link to the control panel as well as power options still exist as part of the Settings Charm which is slightly more cumbersome to get to than before and is far less discoverable. Recent items are gone.

So what about OS X? It actually separates out the functionality into 3 UI items: The Applications Stack, the Spotlight menu and the Apple menu:

apple.png sptlght.png apps.png


All three accessible by clicking on clearly visible UI elements. All three providing an unobtrusive popup menu. 2a is provided by the Spotlight menu, 2b by the applications stack, 2c/d/e by the Apple menu. In fact, if Windows 8 instead of the Start Menu would provide nothing more than the Spotlight icon and menu, I would already be ecstatic. Let it show all apps when no text is entered. Put a button for the Settings Charm on the task bar (as I suggested before) and you're golden.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 16:50

I think a classic option in for the Pro/NT branding makes perfect sense, especially on Server.

#26 gameboy1977

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 17:05

Use icon of start button on your keyboard when I go to bestbuy to test windows 8 a few months ago.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 20:53

they did ti with win 3.11 to 95, u didnt have a start menu back then and then wulla u have it, people were furious about it and didnt like it


Yes because comparing windows 3.11 and 95 to windows 8 is exactly the same thing!

/s

FFS... The amount of crying over the Start Menu is rather hilarious. You guys act like you're 2 years old after mommy says no to getting a toy...


And the amount of crying by the zealots who side with a company, one that is deliberately trying to FORCE a user-hostile interface onto their long-time and new customers, can be comparable to a 2 year old crying because his friends have left him to play by himself with his new toys that nobody likes or wants anything to do with.

#28 PGHammer

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 21:07

Nobody HAS to get used to the user-hostile ui of windows 8, just stick with windows 7 like most people are doing, obviously.


And that is a problem *how*?

The majority of critics of Windows 8 seem to have NOT realized that Windows 7 isn't going anywhere until 202x - in other words, it's not going away for quite a stretch.

Basically, Windows 8 and Windows 7 are meant to co-exist - side by side.

Other than the Start menu, Windows 8 is a SUPERset of Windows 7 - just as XP MCE was a superset of XP Professional. (What was missing by design in MCE was domain support - just as Windows 8 is missing the Start menu.)

Geeze.

Yes because comparing windows 3.11 and 95 to windows 8 is exactly the same thing!

/s



And the amount of crying by the zealots who side with a company, one that is deliberately trying to FORCE a user-hostile interface onto their long-time and new customers, can be comparable to a 2 year old crying because his friends have left him to play by himself with his new toys that nobody likes or wants anything to do with.


Windows 8 isn't trying to force anything on anyone - where, exactly, has Windows 7 gone?
Windows 7 will be supported until, at minimum, 2020 - that tells me that it's not going anywhere.
Nobody is *insisting* that you MUST use Windows 8 - and Microsoft definitely isn't.

#29 Order_66

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 21:07

Why must developers undermine their mission just to make a few luddites happy? Microsoft isn't going to bring that back. There is no reason to bring back old, deprecated features. The Start Menu reached it's max potential, and now it's time to move on or die out. Simple as that.


The start menu is FAR from being an old and depreciated feature and is not even close to reaching its max potential and works just as well today as it did yesterday.
The so-called "statistics" that microsoft/Ballmer have claimed to have done to try and show that people are not using the start menu are extremely laughable and reek of dishonesty.

You can buy into the lies and crystal ball mythical predictions based purely on arrogance and money by those at microsoft regarding what the future holds for computing all you want, meanwhile people on windows 7 and previous versions who have work that needs to be done will merrily continue to get it done on an os that just plain works like windows 7 for example, an os that just works and is user friendly, unlike 8.

#30 PGHammer

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 21:10

they did ti with win 3.11 to 95, u didnt have a start menu back then and then wulla u have it, people were furious about it and didnt like it


And replacements for it abounded - including a clone of the WorkPlaceShell for OS/2 2.x.