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#31 paulheu

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 21:16

The Start menu is gone, dead, buried and left behind. The handful of fanatics who cling to it like it was the second coming will have to deal. MSFT removed the hooks which are used by the gazillion hacks so they won't work in Blue any more Good riddance,,

Few years back everyone used UUencode on Usenet, then some guy came up with a little thing called yEnc and a handful of fanatics went nuts over it and how no one would use it and it would be dead in a year and it was horrible. Now UUencode is in the history books and yEnc is what everyone uses and accepts. Not that many of you will have a clue what I am on about here as you are probably too young to know and many may not even know what Usenet is as most will have grown up looking at pictures on your screen.

Point in case, move on... The Start menu will not be back... ever..


#32 +SharpGreen

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 21:17

The start menu is FAR from being an old and depreciated feature and is not even close to reaching its max potential and works just as well today as it did yesterday.
The so-called "statistics" that microsoft/Ballmer have claimed to have done to try and show that people are not using the start menu are extremely laughable and reek of dishonesty.

You can buy into the lies and crystal ball mythical predictions based purely on arrogance and money by those at microsoft regarding what the future holds for computing all you want, meanwhile people on windows 7 and previous versions who have work that needs to be done will merrily continue to get it done on an os that just plain works like windows 7 for example, an os that just works and is user friendly, unlike 8.


How exactly does a full screen start menu prevent you from getting work done? I've seen this BS excuse a lot lately and am wondering how it came about. Also I think that as screens have gotten bigger and resolutions gotten higher the tiny little window in the corner of the screen that is the start menu has gotten harder to use.


As far as I'm concerned I don't get why people are begging for feature that's been in Win8 since the beginning.

#33 xendrome

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 21:17

Point in case, move on... The Start menu will not be back... ever..


Except, the start menu is still there.... so....

#34 Stoffel

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:12

The start menu is FAR from being an old and depreciated feature and is not even close to reaching its max potential and works just as well today as it did yesterday.
The so-called "statistics" that microsoft/Ballmer have claimed to have done to try and show that people are not using the start menu are extremely laughable and reek of dishonesty.

You can buy into the lies and crystal ball mythical predictions based purely on arrogance and money by those at microsoft regarding what the future holds for computing all you want, meanwhile people on windows 7 and previous versions who have work that needs to be done will merrily continue to get it done on an os that just plain works like windows 7 for example, an os that just works and is user friendly, unlike 8.


Are you not bored of writing the same thing over and over again every time there is a news item or new thread about Win8?

#35 Dot Matrix

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:33

Except, the start menu is still there.... so....


In the form of the Start Screen, yes...

#36 Dashel

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:21

The start menu is ...not even close to reaching its max potential and works just as well today as it did yesterday.


That is one point of optimism, its omission has generated innovation in its own right. Something the following poster is only too happy to trade away. Sad really.

The Start menu is gone, dead, buried and left behind. The handful of fanatics who cling to it like it was the second coming will have to deal. MSFT removed the hooks which are used by the gazillion hacks so they won't work in Blue any more Good riddance,


Why do you need to celebrate it so when trading away the preference of another? Or worse, create a system where such tweaks were no longer possible. An OS should be broader than 'formats'.

How exactly does a full screen start menu prevent you from getting work done? I've seen this BS excuse a lot lately and am wondering how it came about. Also I think that as screens have gotten bigger and resolutions gotten higher the tiny little window in the corner of the screen that is the start menu has gotten harder to use.


Its not a BS excuse. If you can't put yourself in a place to figure that question out, the discussion isn't worth having. Most reviewers I think have done an adequate job explaining why. It isn't about 'preventing' or any other such silly absolute.

What resolution do you run at? Win7 start isn't 'tiny' or hard to mouse (or even touch by and large) at 22"@1080 so I just don't understand that complaint. It has also been resized a since classic Start to compensate. Or are you just chasing Retina?

#37 Kelxin

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:35

Even NeoWin's poll's have proven that almost 50% of the people that have tried Windows 8 don't like the interface / start button.

http://www.neowin.ne...ge__hl__windows

Microsoft needs to offer a choice. I'm going over all my reasons for hating it again, anyways, its not like the fanboi's even read my responses in the first place.

#38 +SharpGreen

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:53

That is one point of optimism, its omission has generated innovation in its own right. Something the following poster is only too happy to trade away. Sad really.



Why do you need to celebrate it so when trading away the preference of another? Or worse, create a system where such tweaks were no longer possible. An OS should be broader than 'formats'.



Its not a BS excuse. If you can't put yourself in a place to figure that question out, the discussion isn't worth having. Most reviewers I think have done an adequate job explaining why. It isn't about 'preventing' or any other such silly absolute.

What resolution do you run at? Win7 start isn't 'tiny' or hard to mouse (or even touch by and large) at 22"@1080 so I just don't understand that complaint. It has also been resized a since classic Start to compensate. Or are you just chasing Retina?

It is BS because, as someone who's actually used the OS daily since the Developer Preview (ie. more than a large portion of the whiners in the majority of "win8 sux" threads), I've found that I didn't have to change the way I used my desktop or laptop at all. I mean sure things that were moved, like for instance the shutdown button, that I had to get used to, and for my laptop I don't even bother with it, because I've set it to hibernate/turn off when I close it.

Also there's no way you'll ever convince me the smallish window that was old start menu that after WinXP couldn't expand to make viewing nested folders easier, is better than one that fully uses the available screen space. At 1080p (which my main monitor runs at) a full screen start menu IMO is makes it a lot easier to find things in the list, on the off chance I don't have it pinned somewhere or don't use the search function.

Also the post I was quoting actually did use the word "prevent" which is why I used it.

Even NeoWin's poll's have proven that almost 50% of the people that have tried Windows 8 don't like the interface / start button.

http://www.neowin.ne...ge__hl__windows

Microsoft needs to offer a choice. I'm going over all my reasons for hating it again, anyways, its not like the fanboi's even read my responses in the first place.

Why does one have to be a "fanboi" for not wanting to bring back the old start menu?

#39 Dot Matrix

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:56

Even NeoWin's poll's have proven that almost 50% of the people that have tried Windows 8 don't like the interface / start button.

http://www.neowin.ne...ge__hl__windows

Microsoft needs to offer a choice. I'm going over all my reasons for hating it again, anyways, its not like the fanboi's even read my responses in the first place.


NeoWin != 100% of the Windows user base.

Microsoft doesn't need to do anything. The Start Menu isn't part of what they want to do, and a few people crying over it isn't going to change a thing.

#40 +warwagon

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:45

Do you want the start menu back in windows 8?

Yes 55.02% (318)
No 44.98% (260)

http://www.neowin.ne...u-in-windows-8/

#41 Stoffel

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:48

Do you want the start menu back in windows 8?

Yes 55.02% (318)
No 44.98% (260)

http://www.neowin.ne...u-in-windows-8/


That's techy people, people here on Neowin don't represent the whole population, only a small fraction

#42 COKid

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:50

If I had a nickel for every Start Screen/Menu thread on Neowin,...

#43 Kaze23

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:56

Restoring something that works in favor of something that clearly doesn't work is not the same as "living in the past", far from it actually.


Clearly doesn't work for who? You?

Works just fine for me, but then again, I can actually adapt to change.

#44 COKid

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:08

Works just fine for me, but then again, I can actually adapt to change.


This is a common refrain, but why is it the case? I mean, some people simply prefer having the start menu. Have a preference is different than not adapting to change. We all have own our tastes, don't we?

On the other hand, I really don't see what all the fuss is about from those who rail against Windows 8 in terms of the Start Menu issue. There are start menu replacements for Windows 8 for those who want them, or people can simply choose to use another OS.

Oh well, I'm sure the debate will rage on. And on. And on...

#45 Manarift

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:10

The intent of the start screen is to phase out older devices that still rely on screen resolutions of less then 1024*768. Most users now use a screen size of 1366*768. on most systems the small menu wasn't using the space of a full screen so it was in fact leaving a dead space. Lets use windows 95 as an example it was the first computer system to use the start menu as time went on it improved and changed to adapt with what was currently needed over time it improved and changed at the same-time that very code was being left unchanged and used for exploits and virus's. Microsoft design choice was to change to it from the ground up rather then keeping it the old code. Instead choose to Clean up older code by removing it which is key to improving any product and closing any bugs or holes that could be used as zero day exploits or for virus's