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#16 +Nik L

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 19:17

Stock Android, to me, is like Windows without hardware drivers.

Sometimes you need some of the Samsung software installed to take full advantage of some of the hardware. Same with the other manufacturers.

Come on buddy, I know you are not an Android fan, but that's nonsense...

I'd accept that it was more like Windows without any apps. Android manages its hardware just fine - sometimes even better without TouchWiz.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 20:10

Stock Android, to me, is like Windows without hardware drivers.

Sometimes you need some of the Samsung software installed to take full advantage of some of the hardware. Same with the other manufacturers.

Quite the other way around. Stock Android is Windows with hardware drivers. Add the manufacturer skin (bloat), and now you are adding additional overhead. There is a point to what's actually useful vs. what's not. Come on, do I really need a piece of software that pauses video when I look away from the phone? What a freakin gimmick. Touchwiz on the GS4 is what Sense 3 was - just a pure bloated experience.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 20:15

Every manufacturer puts their "layer" on top of Android, to a greater or lesser degree.


Unless you purchase a Nexus device which is completely stock.

Stock Android, to me, is like Windows without hardware drivers.

Sometimes you need some of the Samsung software installed to take full advantage of some of the hardware. Same with the other manufacturers.


There are much better replacement launchers that add more. TW is just needs to go away.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 21:59

Unless you purchase a Nexus device which is completely stock.

100% forgot about Nexus. My bad!

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 00:31

I love Touchwiz myself and prefer it over any thing else that I've used.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:05

There are much better replacement launchers that add more. TW is just needs to go away.


Not so with the Galaxy Note devices. Take away TW from those, and you lose much of the S-Pen functionality as well.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:13

Take away TW from those, and you lose much of the S-Pen functionality as well.

There are ROMs available with JUST the pen interface capabilities baked in.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:49

There are ROMs available with JUST the pen interface capabilities baked in.


And invariably add their own crap, too.

That's the thing with custom ROM's. I've been a member of XDA for many many years; over those years I've tried hundreds of custom ROMs for a huge range of devices, and almost NEVER are they as stable or reliable as the OEM's ROMS. The main reason for that is a combination of testing and the capabilities of the one creating the ROM in the first place.

There's no way a single person working in their bedroom is ever going to be able to match up against a paid team of developers working with the proper tools, the proper documentation, and a proper testing team. The only ones that ever come close are the pure vanilla Android ROMs, and on some devices, Cyanogen Mod.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:25

And invariably add their own crap, too.

And the better ones come with setup tools that allow you to choose what they add.

almost NEVER are they as stable or reliable as the OEM's ROMS

Opinions will vary but I have found SOME to be much more stable.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:42

I love Touchwiz myself and prefer it over any thing else that I've used.

I've tried stock Android and Cyanogenmod on my Tab 2 and non are as good as TW. I love the thicker "status bar" and multitask display with TW.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:14

Opinions will vary but I have found SOME to be much more stable.


I did say that some are as good, but it's a pretty rare find amongst the dearth of crap.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:28

I did say that some are as good, but it's a pretty rare find amongst the dearth of crap.

Very true, there's a lot of kids who take a rom and just add, add, add!

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 22:27

Even the 3rd party launchers available in the App Store are much better than TW. I use the APEX launcher myself and notice no performance differences over the stock. APEX has a stick look to it but adds more features.


Love Apex! :D

Touchwiz is a joke, and the sooner you get rid of it, the sooner you realize just how bad it is. (much in the same way I didn't know what I was missing using iOS until I switched)

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:57

Not so with the Galaxy Note devices. Take away TW from those, and you lose much of the S-Pen functionality as well.


I love my S-Pen. It is so useful the way it is.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:03

I'm using CyanoGen Mod on my S3, with Nova Launcher, Swiftkey and a custom kernel that allows me to under volt the CPU and use different governors and schedulers.

What I get with CGM should be the experience we all get when we buy a Samsung phone. Super fast, no bloat, crazy battery life and an up to date version of Android, not some old 4.1.2 release, etc.

TouchWiz is like a pile of **** over a great phone. I come from the iPhone universe and I hated my Galaxy at first. I started to love using this phone when I got rid of TouchWiz… go figure.

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